Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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LRLEO tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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If the Catholic Church examples don't fit the trope description, you don't need any consensus to remove them per Not An Example.
"In distress", my ass.
Both are holding steady since I looked yesterday, so calling to make NRLEP.
- Dysfunction Junction: Added 11th Mar '16 at 12:29 PM, 10:0
- The Von Trope Family: Added 8 Mar 2016, at 8:06 AM, 5:1 (12)
The Von Trope Family will, however, continue to allow those who consciously chose their "von" name, instead of just being an accident of birth, adoption, or marriage.
edited 14th Mar '16 6:23:09 AM by Nohbody
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"In distress", my ass.
Note left on the NRLEP listing for Von Trope pointing to the above post, and in the edit reason when removing non-invoked RL examples from the trope page.
[edit] Also, new crowner created, hollering for hooking it to the thread.
edited 14th Mar '16 6:35:34 AM by Nohbody
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Crowners switched.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
Motherfucker... crowners look broken. It won't save the description. Doesn't show either here or looking directly at the crowner page.
Off to the bug report section, it seems... where it's already been reported.
edited 14th Mar '16 12:06:22 PM by Nohbody
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"In distress", my ass.
Also, added to the crowner:
- Lean and Mean: Morality trope.
- Large and in Charge: Characterization/narrative trope, with many Zero Context Examples.
- Elite Mooks: Morality trope, Mooks is already NRLEP.
- Fantastic Naming Convention: Trope is about naming conventions in fiction.
- Fantastic Rank System: Trope is about ranks in fiction.
- Fantastic Honorifics: Trope is about honorifics in fiction.
edited 16th Mar '16 11:07:59 PM by Nohbody
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There is a funny case: Playing the Victim Card asks not to add real life examples... in the Real Life folder.
No, the other one.
That happens on occasion.
That one, and Wounded Gazelle Gambit to maybe a lesser extent, are also about painting people as villains or criminals. It might be factually true in some cases of proven criminals, but I'm not sure it's the kind of content we want to have here.
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Wounded Gazelle Gambit lost in a crowner (10y-18n; 1:1.8). https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/RealLifeSectionMaintenance
But Playing the Victim Card is outright calling someone villain. I put the [noreallife] tag.
edited 14th Mar '16 7:56:10 PM by DoctorCooper
No, the other one.
Okay, fair enough. I probably even voted to keep the real life examples back then, if I remember correctly. Just wanted to bring it to attention just in case. I do have some concerns about generic examples, though, which is the usual problem.
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Hell, I think even if NOT a villain trope, Playing the Victim Card would be a MAJOR flamebait lure.
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Then, should we put it in the page or put it in the crowner?
"In distress", my ass.
There doesn't seem to have been any significant change in the past day or so, so calling:
- Elite Mooks: Added 14th Mar '16 12:15 PM, 10:1 (11)
- Lean and Mean: Added 14th Mar '16 12:15 PM, 4.5:1 (11)
- Large and in Charge: Added 14th Mar '16 12:15 PM, 4:1 (10)
"In distress", my ass.
As for Playing the Victim Card, given that the one RL entry prohibiting RL examples was arbitrarily added by Kaizerreich in 2014 without any discussion as far as I can tell, technically it should be run through the crowner.
However, I'm not that enthusiastic about doing so, as between the villain and flamebait issues I can't see where allowing RL examples would be of any benefit. I'd say just add it to the NRLEP list and be done with it, FWIW.
edited 16th Mar '16 11:22:23 PM by Nohbody
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These are the voyages...
Run it through the crowner. We have a process, let's follow it - doing things by fiat or otherwise deviating from the process looks arbitrary.
Not that kind of doctor
Agony of the Feet has an entire real life page (Real Life), and it's a mess. For example, about a third of the page is a (poorly indented) list of...stuff that hurts when you step on it. I would say that Agony of the Feet is a narrative trope that should be NRLEP—real people getting foot injuries is just People Sit On Chairs. Thoughts?
BTW, there also seems to be a mismatch between the trope description, which implies it's for comedic examples only, and the examples, which include dramatic use of foot injuries. What would be the appropriate place to bring that up? Is that a TRS issue?
edited 17th Mar '16 8:23:03 AM by NotOnAnyFlatbread
Not that kind of doctor
Never mind. Just realized the no real life markup bug was already discussed in this very thread and reported as a bug. I'm an idiot. 
edited 17th Mar '16 8:39:35 AM by NotOnAnyFlatbread
I added Playing the Victim Card to the crowner.
"In distress", my ass.
Yeah, Agony's mismatch between description and some examples is probably a TRS issue, and definitely beyond the scope of this thread.
I'm putting it on the crowner as a narrative trope, because it is PSOC outside of story telling.
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"In distress", my ass.
Pending:
- Playing the Victim Card: Added 17th Mar '16 at 08:57:25 AM, 8:1 (9)
- Agony of the Feet: Added 17th Mar '16 9:50 AM, 4:1 (10)
No, the other one.
Mook Promotion. First, it's about villains. Second, in real life, most people aren't born into positions. They work themselves up, so it's more or less default for anyone in a leadership position.
Any other comments, or add it?
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I just deleted it.
Note 2: Calling Playing the Victim Card.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
And while cleaning up UsefulNotes.Osama Bin Laden, I came across a few entries that aren't NRLEP, but I think should be put up for a vote when the next crowner is made:
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Currently pending:
edited 12th Mar '16 7:23:52 PM by Nohbody
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