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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
Just noticed that The Farmer and the Viper has an editor note (by Fast Eddie) at the bottom of the page, but I didn't see it on the NRLEP page. I also removed a few examples.
Vote on it for formality's sake, or just add it? It's a clear morality trope, as it depends on the viper character being evil.
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Just add it, I'd say.
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No, the other one.
Done.
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Now hold on there. It says good deeds are repaid with evil. I thought we just couldn't call people evil; nothing about actions being evil.
No, the other one.
It's about evil doing evil because evil is evil. The trope is explicitly about an inherently evil creature. Yes, it's about doing something evil, because the one doing it is evil, and that's what evil beings do. Evil things.
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Yep. It's about a character essentially saying "Why did you expect anything other than evil from me? It's my nature to be evil. It's what I am." So it requires a judgement that the the "viper" is evil.
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I'm nominating Rooting for the Empire for the NRLEP list because it's another trope in the morality category that has attracted examples from real life.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
No, the other one.
You're evil, I mean welcome. 
Yeah, seems reasonable. It's basically about rooting for those you're not supposed to root for, and that "supposed to" is casting a moral judgement.
edited 26th Apr '15 8:50:59 AM by AnotherDuck
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Forever War: Narrative trope.
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Disagree on Forever War. It could probably use some clean-up, but the Israel/Palestine conflict, North/South Korea and the War on Terror feel valid to me.
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That's one of those cases where the narrative embodied in the trope is explicitly derived from Real Life, and the examples, as long as they aren't too nattery or soapbox-y, can remain.
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I agree with Fighteer. Forever War is as much (often more) a setting trope as a narrative one.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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gonna side with the mods on Forever War
BTW what was the consensus for "The Reason You Suck" Speech?
Nominating Trapped in Villainy as a clean-cut Evil Trope. Three Real Life examples: Joseph Stalin and his subordinates, gang members, and members of terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda.
EDIT: Also nominating Welcome to Evil Mart, for obvious reasons. I just removed the only Real Life example that was currently on the page, because it was blatant shoehorning, but I think the page should be NRLEP anyway.
EDIT EDIT: Two tropers so far, myself included, have wondered about making the Inheritance Murder YKTTW NRLEP out of the gate. I think that's enough to bring it here and see what you guys think. I'm on the fence, but I think I'd rather be safe than sorry.
edited 29th Apr '15 3:06:39 PM by SolipSchism
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Laxative Prank was brought up in ATT for possible NRLEP status.
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No, the other one.
Why?
Trapped in Villainy and Welcome to Evil Mart, yes. The only thing I could see potentially fit the latter would be something like arms dealers, but I think that's still shoehorning.
Inheritance Murder I'm uncertain about. It's technically an objective trope the way I understand it, but it could be a sensitive topic, and it's certainly not one we want speculations on.
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Misuse and shoehorning seem to be issues... one entry was deleted for not being an example, after someone noticed it went into way too much detail.
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No, the other one.
So singular entries that are wrong one way or another? That's comparatively little. Doesn't convince me.
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Support Trapped in Villainy, Welcome to Evil Mart.
Inheritance Murder is tricky. Maybe not NRLEP, but at least put a restriction on it of, say, 50 years or more prior to keep the flames out.
On second thought, make it NRLEP on Flame Bait grounds.
EDIT: Support Laxative Prank. A Real Life section would read too much like Troper Tales.
edited 30th Apr '15 7:35:58 AM by Ripsaw
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The thing about Laxative Prank is it's perfectly legit for real life examples, but all but one of the examples on the page were not pranks at all—it was examples of, like, evil governments using an overdose of laxatives as a torture/execution method.
The one legit RL example was actually totally solid—somebody spiked John Barrowman's water glass before he went on stage in white pants.
EDIT: Also, "too common to trope"? RL sections are not supposed to have Troper Tales anyway, so that's a non-issue. Examples are supposed to be documented somewhere or at least verifiable through a brief Google Search. I don't think it needs to be NRLEP, people just need to understand the difference between a "prank" and a "torturous death".
edited 30th Apr '15 8:53:07 AM by SolipSchism
We've voted on examples being too common in real life to trope before, what's the issue?
Oh, too common for Real Life examples. Duh.
I think the phrase "too common to trope" has become a trigger for me considering how frequently that phrase comes up in YKTTW and LAF, where it is a completely meaningless and useless phrase. My bad.
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Nominating Cheeky Mouth. It's an art trope, thus impossible in real life. I mean, unless you sewed your mouth shut and had a hole in the side of your face.