Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

Depraved Kids' Show Host: I agree it's suitable for NRLEP fodder as gossip about RL people.

Disney Death: Not only the death aspect, but as the description says it's also an Ending Trope, and RL doesn't have a story writer or a story to end, so yeah I can see that being fit for addition to the crowner.

A.I. Is a Crapshoot: Those examples are all, as far as I can tell, shoehorning, so losing them isn't going to make me lose any sleep, and there is precedent for NRLEPing things that can't happen in real life because the technology or physics currently known doesn't allow it, so I don't think adding it to the crowner is going to be a problem.

Adding them all in a minute.

[edit] Also, I just realized how many crowner entries there are, so we should probably wait to add more crowner options until the current entries are addressed, saving any further additions for the next crowner.

edited 12th Aug '14 6:16:41 AM by Nohbody

Calling:

• Depraved Kids' Show Host: Added 12th Aug '14 at 06:08:43 AM, 5:1 (12)
• Disney Death: Added 12th Aug '14 at 06:11:29 AM, 3.33:1 (13)

Whoa, hold on, too quick. Depraved: Jimmy Savile counts. That ain't just gossip.

And, as an aside, if you're really concerned about NRLEP entries, it would be appreciated if you contributed to the conversation in this thread while the issue is active, not jump in after the vote has been called and the edit to the NRLEP page requested in the edit request thread.

(formatting fail)

edited 14th Aug '14 10:29:46 AM by Nohbody

I read those entries. Full of nattery comments and judgements. So yes, even if they has roots in reality they're still gossip. And even so we don't need to have tales of horrible people here, especially when it devolves into a competition about who can find the juiciest piece of news. Which still isn't going into the issue that it's not the trope in the first place, as mentioned before.

edited 14th Aug '14 8:18:15 AM by AnotherDuck

"Depraved within the work." Is this another of those things that needs a creator.

In this case it's an integral part of the character. A Real Life example is just where someone depraved happens to be in that line of work.

Thanks.

Calling A.I. Is a Crapshoot.

Should Cool and Unusual Punishment have an RL section? It's not a size issue (most of the other folders are at least as large, to the point of heading towards bumping against the 400K character limit; That's not this thread, but I'll be addressing that after CAUP's RL section is decided), but "cool" strikes me as a subjective judgement call, which in general are kind of frowned upon for RL subjects. Also, setting aside formatting issues (also not this thread) I noticed more than a few generic and Zero Context Example entries, which while historically not usually enough of a reason on its own for NRLEP it certainly doesn't help the argument against NRLEP.

^ Also, while helping out is appreciated, when making the edit request in the thread for editing locked pages, Please put the entry to be edited in into its final format, so the mod du jour (usually Willbyr) can just copy/paste it onto the NRLEP page (as a mod they can edit posts by others).

As demonstrated with AI they can extrapolate from the crowner entry, but given all that's on the mod staff's figurative plate it makes things a bit quicker for them to address.

edited 15th Aug '14 8:32:58 AM by Nohbody

^One person's cool is another person's not cool. I find several of those extremely distasteful at best. I say it should be NRLEP.

Cracked ran an article some time ago about a judge who gives the guilty a choice between the standard fines&jail platter and a more original punishment, such as a woman who abandoned a sack full of kittens in the woods having to spend a night out there herself, without camping equipment. Since the defendants do get a choice, I find it impressive, but many in the comment section found it anywhere from ridiculous to horrible.

Since many other examples are equally subjective, I say nuke the RL section.

edited 15th Aug '14 4:40:24 PM by Candi

Cool and Unusual Punishment isn't really about punishments being cool. It's about them being unusual or creative, and effective (or at least believed to be). It doesn't really hurt the trope if the effectivity is subjectively perceived as high or low.

Forcing prisoners to wear pink, for instance, is a good example of the trope.

I don't see a problem with having Real Life examples there. A little cleanup, maybe, but I think it works as it is.

edited 15th Aug '14 6:13:57 PM by AnotherDuck

The name is a bit misleading, but I think Another Duck is right about this one.
EDIT: It seems that the consensus is to keep Flash Step's RL section. Should I add it to Keep Real Life Examples, since I've brought it up a week ago?

edited 16th Aug '14 3:48:16 AM by desdendelle

Whenever we're discussing tropes, never rely on the trope name to figure out the exact meaning of the trope.

Yeah, Flash Step looks like a keep.

Called Flash Step at 6-11 yea/nay as "don't make No Real Life Examples, Please!".

Looking at Never Live It Down again: the last two edits to that page, I had to purge for being recent.

Plus, does this recently added example even fit: "Jamaica is known as a land where everyone looks and talks, and smokes marijuana like Bob Marley."

This trope is supposed to be "known for something someone only did once." I suppose you could say that it fits, as stereotyping an entire nation based on a single citizen, but there's a LOT more that seem iffy. I'm starting to wonder if maintaining this thing is worth the effort.

Stereotyping is not that trope.

How much maintenance are we talking about here?

Also kind of funny, since I just (quite literally the last thing I did before heading over here) watched a You Tube video about someone not living a mistake down.

Hmm. Doesn't look like Cool and Unusual Punishment is getting any traction. Oh well.

Anyway, I don't know of anything waiting for a crowner entry slot, but just in case I made up a Real Life Section Maintenance 19 crowner that I'll holler to have hooked in a second. That way, any new option that does come up can just be added instead of waiting to make the crowner and add the option.

All hooked up.

Leaper: Yes, it is. The subpage already has a disclaimer (examples that are at elast 25 years old), so there's that.

Noble Bigot has a fairly large RL section. I say it needs to go, as we're not in the business of declaring real people bigots, noble or otherwise.

Gonna agree with that. Some of it is also shoehorning, and should be in Values Dissonance (which doesn't allow real life examples either) or something like that. Otherwise you could probably put in just about any historical person who can be seen as noble, since what was progressive at that time might be bigoted today.

I added Evil Mentor to the crowner as it's an evil trope that has a real life section and, as I recall, we don't call real people evil

I'm going to argue against making Dirty Cop NRLEP, with one limitation: The only acceptable RL examples are of individual Law Enforcement Officers who were actually, legally, tried and convicted of corruption. No "the cops in this city..." or "This division of <Law enforcement agency> in general..." or "<LEO> was accused.../indicted.../ widely believed to be..."

It's not a calling people villains thing. A dirty cop doesn't have to be the villain ( or even a villain) of the work.