Needs Help: Nice Shoes

This is the first line of the trope:

"Some characters have quirky, fancy, or otherwise unusual footwear, which the narrative makes a point of mentioning."

And what do some examples include? Sneakers. Just plain, simple sneakers. The context of the examples, like for Final Fight, seems that some think this is "notable footwear", not the shoe counterpart to Pimped-Out Dress.

Wick check, 20 out of 70 wicks (with 44 inbounds):

• Bitchin Kitchen: Either it's correct, or it's misused for All Women Love Shoes. Honestly not sure.
• Buffalo '66: Correct
• Characters.Chrono Cross: Stell-toed workboots are not this trope. Misuse.
• Disney.Cinderella: Correct.
• Characters.Courage The Cowardly Dog: No context.
• Discworld: No context.
• Characters.Disney Princess: Correct
• Characters.Dissidia Final Fantasy Warriors Of Cosmos: Correct, I guess
• Characters.Final Fantasy XIII: Correct
• Characters.Final Fight: Clogs and sneakers. Misuse.
• Foot Focus: Correct
• AxisPowersHetalia.Gender Flip Versions: Combat boots are misuse.
• Lucky Starr: No context
• Characters.Mash: Again, sneakers. Misuse.
• Characters.Mobile Fighter G Gundam: Again, sneakers. And being the only character wearing them still makes it misuse (it would be more a distinctive clothing trope).
• Monster High: Apparently correct, although it does misuse Tricked-Out Shoes.
• Characters.Nine Hours Nine Persons Nine Doors: First use doesn't have context, but the picture provided makes it look like it might be correct, but I'm not sure. Second use is correct.
• Music.OFWGKTA: Just mentions shoes, which are just sneakers. Misuse.
• Pimped-Out Dress: Correct
• Puss In Boots: Doesn't matter if the shoes give him his name. They are not fancy. Misuse.

Wait only 70 wicks for this? Underuse?

I call Significant Chairs on this.

(What's that? You haven't heard of that would-be policy, which I YKTTW'd and then discarded? You're lucky.)

I say we should either write up some tropes and split this accordingly or move the examples in to existing shoes-or-otherwise tropes.

Well its a form of Costume Porn really some shoes in works are extremely ornate and complex to the point of it takes 30 minutes to get into them or diamonds on them and such.

It can be quite prevalent on fighters for some reason and most do not offer any sort of protection and practicality. what is the point of these for a military person◊ Wait Too Many Belts....

Or shoes with crowns on them.◊

edited 5th Mar '12 6:31:39 AM by Raso

You discarded it because it directly conflicts with actual wiki policy if I recall correctly. Do NOT use it. You're just complaining about tropes you don't like. They're still tropes no matter if you care about them or not.

edited 5th Mar '12 10:01:19 AM by shimaspawn

Back on topic, would cleanup be enough, or should we do more?

Well, the name is much broader than the trope: the name suggests it's about any kind of shoes, and the description suggests otherwise. This is just asking for abuse.

So we should either broaden the trope, or rename to a more precise name. Either is fine with me.

I won't quote it as policy - even here, I poked fun at the idea and mentioned having discarded it. But it doesn't conflict with actual policy. In fact, I think every page that violates it needs fixing.

I might have liked a chance to explain my idea in a forum, but it'd probably be more useful to apply the concept to individual pages. Like this one:

According to a couple people in this thread, and part of the description, this trope is a subtrope of Costume Porn. That's the kind of trope I don't care about / don't like but still stands as a legitimate page. But the actual page description says something quite different. It says this page is for "quirky, fancy or otherwise unusual" footwear. The footwear could be elaborate. It could be weird. By the definition, it could be any notable footwear - even sneakers, if the narrative finds some reason to comment on it. It could be Fancy For Fanciness Sake or Expository Shoe Style - which are mutually exclusive.

If comprehensive, the page will therefore cover a wide variety of examples related to shoes. But the examples may have nothing in common story-wise other than their involving shoes. They'd therefore be of little use to those interested in fiction. They're only fun for those interested in shoes. When similar pages cover something prurient, it's easy to dismiss this fetishizing. We have the very same thing here, in terms of how superficially the examples document fiction.

That's why I'd suggest these examples going into separate tropes. Many belong in All Women Love Shoes, which is not a subtrope of this. The example of the person with a dagger in her shoe is an example of Hidden Weapons, and we could even have a subtrope there about Knife In The Shoes. Ryan Stiles shoes would be a fine example of Clown Shoes of Goofy Shoes, which we don't have yet. And all these show tropes can go on a Shoe Tropes index - which we also don't have - but they aren't subtropes of any one trope, other than Shoes.

And as Spark9 says, no matter what definition we want for the page, a name like this asks for abuse. When we call something Nice Shoes or Significant Shoes or Meaningful Shoes but don't define what's nice, significant or meaningful, people will just add any shoes they feel like writing about.

Some of what you're thinking of is covered in Tricked-Out Shoes (like shoes having Hidden Weapons), which is also an underused trope, and will likely need repair.

"And all these show tropes can go on a Shoe Tropes index - which we also don't have"

Did you look at the index list at the bottom of the page?

edited 8th Mar '12 12:13:42 PM by DragonQuestZ

Haha - I glanced there, but obviously didn't do a good job at it.

And good to see that we have a Tricked-Out Shoes page. So we move the relevant examples there, the All Women Love Shoes examples to their own page... so can we keep this page for glamorous should? Should we rename it accordingly? Should be even use a snowclone like "pimped-out"?

Well after I made Pimped-Out Cape, I made a TRS thread on the chance it was a snowclone, and it was decided to keep it, as some snowclones make a good name format, as long as they actually share an indicative theme.

edited 8th Mar '12 12:21:11 PM by DragonQuestZ

I think the name Pimped Out Shoe will deter any examples of justpeople liking shoes, or shoes as Macguffins, or shoes revealing character traits, or shoes setting the time period. It might attract some Tricked Out Shoe examples, but we could distinguish clearly between the two in the description.

edited 9th Mar '12 3:46:14 AM by Routerie

Again, we should check that trope for misuse, or underuse, and see if it needs a better name itself.

Setting the 3-day clock on this bad boy, as requested.

Hooking the page action crowner to this bad boy, also as requested.

Bump for votes.

Bumping for more votes.

Doesn't seem we'll get any more here. Calling in favour of broadening the trope.

Anyone plan to do this, or do we need to shelve this?

Is there any reason why this is named for a reductive pick-up line?

Snowclone of Nice Hat, I think. Not related to the pick-up line.

Which is pretty much our number one justification for creating non-tropes: "I snowcloned in off this other non-trope!"

Looks like there's no interest in implementing this. Locking.