Trope Description Improvement Drive

That whole page needs some work. I'll see if I can start a halfway decent sandbox for it 26 hours from now.

Does Maligned Mixed Marriage have to be so long, with multiple paragraphs about Real Life?

edited 15th Dec '15 4:49:23 PM by Catbert

You Have to Have Jews makes little to no sense. It is too long, spends too much time talking about real life demographics, states that it doesn't lend itself to examples, yet still contains examples.

And frankly the title sounds like "What's with all these Jews is Hollywood?"

edited 15th Dec '15 4:42:33 PM by Catbert

I has been brought to my attention that Light Feminine and Dark Feminine mentions hair color in 21 examples so I think it would be good to add a line to the description saying, "This is about personality, not hair color." Sound good?

Sounds good to me.

Seven Dirty Words has a ridiculously long description that needs a good trimming. Thoughts?

For starters, the fine details of the trope title origins could stand to be trimmed down a good bit.

The Natter on the Shit, Piss, and Fuck entries can be chopped, editing the rest of the Shit to note the use on the airing of Network, under Repair Dont Respond.

Haven't the time to whip up a sandbox, but the above seems to me to at least be a good starting point.

I feel Video Game Stealing is a bit wordy and considers it more from the player perspective than the author perspective. I want to trim it down and will be using Sandbox.Video Game Stealing to work on it for a bit. Please give me some advice as I do so.

I'll see what I can do with Seven Dirty Words as well.

I don't see how Take Care of the Kids is related to MacGuffin, except for the poorly drawn analogy that begins the former trope's description.

I think we can improve the description for Pragmatic Villainy. I mean, I GET that a pragmatic villain would only kick a puppy if it furthers their goals rather than out of malice, but the page hammers that point waaaay too much. Like the entire second paragraph, for example.

edited 19th Jan '16 2:57:18 AM by tryrar

A sandbox has been made for The Chick

It was being discussed in the FMB cleanup thread to make the trope look more like the other FMB pages (common variants + common powers/abilities).

Thought I would bring it up here to get input as well.

First, the whole FMB series would probably be better off if it described the varients as categories they could fall into, allowing more than just one variant at once.

Second, Token Girl is a redirect. Please use the proper name.

Third, the first half reads fine, but the second half loses focus and seems to start covering all possible bases, so that any female fits (not just the stereotypical female, which is part of what The Chick is).

Last, When She Smiles is misuse, cutting that whole sentence would make that entry stronger, especially if you pothole Damsel in Distress under "A passive damsel" instead.

edited 26th Jan '16 4:02:30 PM by crazysamaritan

First, second, and fourth points have been accounted for.

Explain the third. Where do you think it starts to get too broad?

I think two parts are really at fault for my perceptions here.

• "an elegant melee weapon like a short sword, naginata, war fan, or a frying pan for laughs" — I'll accept naginata as elegant, but neither short sword or frying pan. This is also right next to close-combat unarmed and distant combat. I think the best solution here is to split it into two or three bullets.
  • Keeps combat at a distance (bows, polearms, etc)
  • fights with stereotypical wepons (war fan, frying pan, shefu)
  • fights with a feminine weapon compared to The Hero (short sword vs longsword)
• "tends to have a real job or public persona that's somehow practical ... probably already a prominent member of La Résistance who looks out for the rest of the hapless heroes" — so she might have no practical skills, might have more practical skills, and might be super competent compared to the other protagonists. Best suggestion I can make right now is to claim she's more likely to have Hidden Depths than the rest of the party for the shock value of a gurrrl being more competent than a boy at anything "worthwhile". The wording spreads it out so that any level of competancy fits, but I think you mean to discuss how much more likely The Chick is to have plot-relevent access than anyone else.

~Totemic Hero, ~Nohbody — check out Sandbox.Seven Dirty Words, how do the changes look, and doesn't this seem more like a useful note than a trope?

That sandbox for 7DW is much better. The stuff that didn't make the cut wasn't really of much use except for obsessive tropers wanking about their extensive knowledge of "dirty" language.^note I'm not going to judge them here, but certain less than complementary descriptions of mental maturity levels came to mind.

As for being a UN page or not, I don't know. I do, however, think that the entries in the list that don't specifically refer to those words can be deleted. Probably not something that can be decided here, though.

After looking at the examples, I'm inclined to agree it needs to go the Useful Notes route. Half the examples don't actually refer to the original routine; they're just "this work used this dirty word!"

Heck, there's a few examples based on words that aren't part of the original seven...screw it, this one probably needs a TRS thread.

edited 27th Jan '16 7:58:03 AM by TotemicHero

Mini-Game Credits has a one-sentence description padded with "Video Game Trope" (much like countless poorly-worded YKTTWs I've seen that begin with "Exactly What It Says on the Tin"). It doesn't clarify whether the trope applies to games which have gameplay continue as normal after you beat it except with the credits as the objects you can interact with.

edited 1st Feb '16 4:02:40 PM by Prfnoff

any other thoughts on The Chick's Sandbox

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:32:07 PM by acrobox

Possible description idea for Mini-Game Credits:

The first and second paragraph of MacGuffin Delivery Service basically say the same thing. Can we remove one of them?

edited 1st Mar '16 1:07:59 AM by eroock

Spider People 's page descriptions seemed a little lacking to me,I'm prepared to do a rewrite to improve it

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/SpiderPeople

edited 11th Mar '16 2:24:57 PM by Ultimatum

Opening Monologue has an Example as a Thesis-like description that brings in too many extraneous details in my opinion. It implies it has to be about a "dramatic event" and be recited by a major character over a Montage.

The description of Character Overlap is barely anything more than a laconic.

A good chunk of the description on Ragnarök Proofing (mainly the contents of the folder) could stand to be moved to an Analysis subpage. Anyone object?