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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#776: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:00:58 AM

Also, "Super Sentai" Stance needs a description of what the trope is.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#777: Jun 23rd 2013 at 7:18:51 AM

Closing the TRS for Magic Missile (aka Projectile Spell) might have been just a wee bit premature because nobody tweaked the on-page definition to reflect the latest discussion on it. So I did just that. Treating spells like projectiles also means we can mention stuff like Taking the Bullet or Bulletproof Human Shield because it can happen.

edited 23rd Jun '13 7:25:46 AM by Stratadrake

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#778: Jun 23rd 2013 at 7:22:03 AM

That didn't look like a discussion to me, more like "that difference doesn't matter". Hence why I didn't act on it.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#779: Jun 23rd 2013 at 7:27:58 AM

Yeah, there were no real objections to it, but the page itself claimed the distinction was of critical importance, meaning the definition was bad:

Please note that this trope is only about cases where somehow enchanting an object relies upon a spell making contact with it. If Alice creates a fireball (or other Energy Ball) and hurls it at Bob, that's not an example...

Especially when fireballs are one of the most iconic forms of projectile magic.

edited 23rd Jun '13 7:28:40 AM by Stratadrake

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#780: Jun 23rd 2013 at 8:56:17 AM

Slow-Motion Fall is a bit unclear. Is this about people getting knocked down to the ground, being dropped from a great height, or both?

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Captain of USS Bajor
#781: Jun 23rd 2013 at 11:04:10 AM

Can I get someone to pop into my latest YKTTW, Walking Fishbowl, and offer some advice? Description feels really, really lean right now.

Also, the discussion on the rename of In Soviet Russia, Trope Mocks You to Russian Reversal was shut down prematurely IMHO before the description was cleaned up any. I did a bunch of work on clearing it (clarifying that it counts even if Soviet Russia isn't involved and shoving references to the meme into the example section).

edited 23rd Jun '13 11:06:30 AM by StarSword

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#782: Jun 23rd 2013 at 11:12:52 AM

Huh. I thought you had already done that.

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#783: Jun 28th 2013 at 11:24:15 AM

Double Standard is written exclusively about double standards based on sex and gender expectations.

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#784: Jun 28th 2013 at 11:38:11 AM

Because that is what the index is about - gender-based differences in tropes.

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#785: Jun 28th 2013 at 2:56:13 PM

I just hacked off a big chunk of Our Wormholes Are Different into Analysis and rewrote it to be a lot more concise and to the point.

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#786: Jun 28th 2013 at 7:48:18 PM

I hope I'm just missing it, but what the hell is a splat ?

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#787: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:50:00 PM

It would seem like a term derived backwards from "splatbook", which is a rules supplement to a tabletop RPG. I suppose I could have it the wrong way round, but I am more familiar with "splatbook" than I am "splat". By simple language rules, a "splat" is a character archetype, class, kit, or similar construct for an RPG, and a "splatbook" is what contains it.

I don't really know that we need an article defining the term, as it's not a trope so much as a definition of a thing that contains tropes.

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#788: Jun 28th 2013 at 9:52:33 PM

[up][up][up][up] Not all double standards are sex-based, though. If it's exclusively for those only, then the name is misleading.

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#789: Jun 29th 2013 at 9:30:32 AM

"Splatbook" was coined as a pronunciation for "*book", with "*" standing for the large range of words that tend to be attached to "-book" when making RPG supplementals (e.g. sourcebook, guidebook) as well as idiosyncratic names (e.g. clanbooks and tribebooks for World Of Darkness). See here for more info.

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#790: Jun 29th 2013 at 10:45:27 AM

That's right. Splatbook is a constructed word, and splat is a back-formation from it. I would redirect splat to Splatbook. Except that we don't have that. Seriously?

edited 29th Jun '13 10:46:45 AM by Fighteer

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#791: Jun 29th 2013 at 11:55:31 AM

I could have sworn we had Splatbook, but I'm probably misremembering Splat. Anyway, anyone mind if I just switch them, and redirect splat to splatbook?

And on the description note, I feel like it should say something about crunch and fluff (for the record, currently Fluff redirects to WAFF).

edited 29th Jun '13 11:58:01 AM by Discar

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#793: Jun 29th 2013 at 1:12:25 PM

For the record, Splat's article does mention the origin of the term from "splatbook", and in turn briefly explains the etymology of that term.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#794: Jun 29th 2013 at 2:46:22 PM

There's the minor problem that the definition of Splat is about splats, and mentions splatbooks only for reference's sake.

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#795: Jun 29th 2013 at 3:44:34 PM

I imagine that if you were to do a search, you'd get a lot more hits for "splatbook" than "splat".

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#796: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:48:11 PM

And a lot more relevant ones, too.

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#797: Jul 1st 2013 at 9:29:17 AM

I'm finishing a YKTTW left Up For Grabs and could use a hand filling out the description. Current title Merger of Souls.

@782: No, I had proposed the changes and was waiting for a second opinion.

edited 1st Jul '13 9:50:27 AM by StarSword

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#798: Jul 1st 2013 at 7:03:52 PM

Splat is also an onomatopoeia for destroying something with blunt force enough to force its liquids out, equivalent to squish. So you'd get a lot more hits for searching it but they'd be less relevant.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#799: Jul 3rd 2013 at 8:37:36 AM

Here's my revision to the first line of Splat so that it will make sense when it gets swapped to Splatbook.

A "splat" is a group or character classification in many Tabletop Games. The most well known splats are the typical 'fighter-mage-thief-cleric' classes, common to games such as Dungeons And Dragons, though racial splats are common as well.

The term comes from White Wolf games. Practically all of their Storytelling System games have a variety of character types, with a variety of names for these character types, and lots and lots of books about these character types, "tribebooks," "clanbooks," and so on. These came to be known as "*books," or "splatbooks."note 

Does that work well enough, or are the changes too minimal?

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#800: Jul 3rd 2013 at 8:45:52 AM

Are you sure the etymology is from White Wolf? I recall hearing the term used to refer to D&D's various handbooks as far back as 2nd edition, although it may have been after the fact.

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