Needs a rename badly: Stop Having Fun Guys

Deadlock Clock: Dec 4th 2011 at 11:59:00 PM

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky

Okay Guy

#126: Nov 30th 2011 at 8:29:58 AM

Though we have strong arguments for renaming, if the crowner dosen't have consensus, it's not going get renamed.

However I have started a clean-up thread in special efforts for tidying up it's missuse. We'll have to do it even if it does get renamed.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky

Okay Guy

#127: Nov 30th 2011 at 11:18:25 AM

I know this is prolly too little too late but I thought I should show some of the stuff I see while I'm cleaning up.

Artistic License – Nuclear Physics:

* The picture is from a Machinima of Peter Chimera's Half-Life fanfic Quarter-Life: Halfway to Destruction. It's notable in that it does not have the usual errors, but makes up new ones. Examples:

An isotope being so volatile that it doesn't have a half-life, but a quarter-life.
- Volatile means how easily it will evaporate, and wouldn't something with a comparable quarter life be less radioactive?

He's confusing being a "Stop Having Fun" Guy with being nit-picky.

Artistic License – Statistics:

* This trope is hugely responsible for the Pokemon entries on The Computer Is a Cheating Bastard, and is the number 1 thing the game's professional players complain about to similar levels of usage.

This is the exactly the kind of thing I hate. Professional dose not equal "Stop Having Fun" Guy.

Cafe World:

* Boring, but Practical: Stoves and Counters. The cheapest stoves work just as well as the most expensive one.

Especially so for the Cafe World Bloggers(they do exist) who give info on how to have the most efficient cafe possible and how efficient the dishes are.

Giving advice on how to have an efficient kitchen =/= "Stop Having Fun" Guy.

Characters/Canimals:

X Just X. Applied to a character named Pow. No clue but highly doubtful, in a lot of the supposed in-universe examples are just generic killjoys.

Can't Drop the Hero:

* Surprisingly, Pokemon, which plays an incredibly high number of RPG tropes straight, averts this. You get your starter 'mon but there's nothing forcing you to keep it. Generally the starters are decent though so it's worth sticking with them, but in the competitive battling scene it's unlikely you'll find a person using a starter Pokemon just because it was their first 'mon. You can even release them into the wild, never to be seen again.

Simply being a compettive player dose not make one a "Stop Having Fun" Guy. Grrr.

Cast from Hit Points

* In the MMORPG Dark Ages by Nexon, the Monk class had access to four different forms of martial arts: Draco (Dragon), Kelberoth (a large cat-like creature), Scorpion, and White Bat. One of the abilities that came with Kelberoth Form was Kelberoth Strike, which dealt a large amount of damage to an enemy at the cost of a large chunk of the Monk's HP. As a result, Kelberoth Form was generally derided as inferior, suicidal, and utterly pointless for leveling purposes unless you had a Priest attached to your hip at all times.

"Stop Having Fun" Guys don't just look down on the tactics, the look down on the players using the tactics.

Video Game/Castlevania Rondo Of Blood

* Lethal Joke Character: Maria has a very small hit box, a Double Jump (one of the first, if not the first, characters with this), can abuse her slides and rolling, and has four subweapons she has constant access to.

Some fans will mock you if you clear the game with Maria.

Yes, looking down on players for their choice of character is what trope is about.

Cavalier Competitor

* Judai/Jaden from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX embodies this trope to the extent that ...(blah blah blah not important.)

In the real-life version, this is a very legitimate strategy to take against some players. Having an easy smile on your face when your opponent massively overextends and is about to rush you to death can sometimes be more a more effective defense than an entirely filled back row.

Keeping your cool against a "Stop Having Fun" Guy isn't any more or less effective than any other player.

Character Tiers
- Two Wicks. One from the main page...

It seems inevitable when you've got a game with Loads And Loads Of Characters: the time will come when the only thing left is to try and figure out whether Lowen's early joining time and superior supports make up for his crappy strength growth. It can be a polite discussion or a Flame War; a debate of logic and reason or a contest to see who can stick their fingers in their ears the longest. It usually gives birth to legions of Scrubs and "Stop Having Fun" Guys.

Which is good.

And one in the examples...

** ... League Of Legends features a cast of characters without many extreme strengths and weaknesses, unlike Dota, and even some characters with nearly identical ability sets (almost every viable melee has a dash attack, for instance). As a result, tiers become much more important and relevant. Naturally there are flamewars between "tiers don't mean anything" people and "that noob picked a tier 3 character gg we lost".

That is also good. Cool.

Cheat Code

As a more grey part of internal forms of this, there is also glitch exploitation. Sometimes this can change a game a lot but still make it playable for veterans, which makes it a form of "Stop Having Fun" Guys if it is mercilessly used on casual players, or it's an outright Game-Breaker, where it earns the same effect as cheating against opponents who don't use it themselves.

Correct. That is a case of always wearing your "always win" hat even in casual play. That's classic "Stop Having Fun" Guy behavior.

Chrome Hounds

* "Stop Having Fun" Guys: Stick Mechs. Double Doubles. Twig legs. That's all you EVER encounter online. Unfortunately for them, those Stick Legs would crumble if hit with mines, bombs, melee javelins, and incendiaries.

Sounds more apt for Complacent Gaming Syndrome.

Chrome Hounds

* Competitive Balance- The Role-Types: Soldiers, Scouts, Snipers, Defenders, Heavy Gunners, and Commanders.

Of course, that's what it was SUPPOSED to be. Instead, the "Stop Having Fun" Guys killed it with their Stick Mechs on Twig Legs.

If you accuse "Stop Having Fun" Guys of playing the game wrong, then your the one with problem.

Circle Of Hell

Caption

This must be the Punishment for Having Fun level.

You think punishing people having fun would be covered by a trope called "Stop Having Fun" Guys but nooooo.

Comic Books

* Squirrel Girl is one huge Take That! against the people who dismiss any whimsical event in comics as non-canon.

Lots of fans have personal discontinutity. Simply ignoring fun makes them uptight, but not a "Stop Having Fun" Guy.

Fridge/Community

** Losing Jeff makes the conflicts go away. Everyone's a lot more relaxed, happy and willing to let their hair down and have fun without him shooting them down before they start.

Killjoy =/= "Stop Having Fun" Guys

Community S 3 E 04 Remedial Chaos Theory

* "Stop Having Fun" Guys: In-universe Jeff comes off as this, stopping Britta from singing "Roxanne", telling Shirley that she is not allowed an identity based on baking, and busting Troy and Abed's chops. The real timeline, where he goes for the pizzas, is ultimately the best one for the group.

Ugh. Killjoy =/= "Stop Having Fun" Guys.

Complacent Gaming Syndrome
- A few examples here, one in the description.

Compare Just Here for Godzilla. When players try to enforce their specific playstyle onto others, they become Scrubs or "Stop Having Fun" Guys.

Good.

Now the examples.

* Certain players will complain that 2fort is only populated by Noobs, while they themselves can only be found on Dustbowl.

I happen to know that players who even like 2Fort are looked down upon in the Tf2 community. It's good.

* In Chrome Hounds, you'll find there's always player matches at South Cemo Oil Fields (and hardly anywhere else), everyone uses funky stick mechs, and may god have mercy on your soul if you use Heavy Gunning to drop a base.

No playing one certian way dosen't make you a "Stop Having Fun" Guy. Scrub was used properly, though.

* Mario Kart Wii: The "Stop Having Fun" Guys will only play as Funky Kong + Flame Runner because is the best combination statistically.

Also bad for the above reason.

Okay, whew. That was most of the C's and couple of A's I missed the other day.

22 examples,16 Bad,1 X Just X *

,5 Good

Granted, that's not really proper wick check. But I have noticed some serious patterns of missuses. Most noticebly, people seem to missuse it for any kind of generic killjoy. They name dosent adaquately describe the trope and it is suffering for it.

I wouldn't be surprised if this missuse will crop up again after it gets cleaned up.

If your voting aginst because there is no noticble missuse then you should really reconsider changing it.

edited 30th Nov '11 11:24:13 AM by DrStarky

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky

Okay Guy

#128: Dec 1st 2011 at 9:50:17 AM

'sigh'

I'm pretty frusturated that no one has responded to my arguments.

If we really need proper consensus to rename this, than I guess we might as well lock this because this thread is going nowhere.

I still think "Stop Having Fun" Guys is in a sorry state, there is still lots missuse related to the name. I would not be surprised at all if it crops up again even if I do clean it up.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love

Rabid Fujoshi

#129: Dec 1st 2011 at 12:06:31 PM

Maybe we could add Serious Business Enforcer as a redirect. Probably wouldn't do anything but it might get people used to the name.

SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)

blackcat Since: Apr, 2009

#130: Dec 1st 2011 at 12:44:10 PM

There has been a request to lock the page as stalled. Clocking

Insignificant Since: Dec, 1969

#131: Dec 1st 2011 at 12:49:25 PM

Why is this in the morgue if it isn't locked?

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010

"µ."

#132: Dec 1st 2011 at 2:41:57 PM

Wait wasn't it clocked already? I could swear it was already clocked. Oh well.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links

Jupiterian Local

#133: Dec 1st 2011 at 4:39:35 PM

Crowner at +11 counts as consensus, doesn't it?

edited 1st Dec '11 4:39:51 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over

He/Him

#134: Dec 1st 2011 at 4:42:47 PM

It's not 2 to 1

My troper wall

TriggerLoaded from Canada, eh? (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun

#135: Dec 1st 2011 at 5:50:47 PM

It's a guideline, but not an iron-clad rule. 2 to 1 is what we use for any really big changes. Then again, with such a widespread trope, I'd say it counts as a really big change. Probably need a mod ruling to be safe.

Don't take life too seriously. It's only a temporary situation.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010

"µ."

#136: Dec 1st 2011 at 6:05:01 PM

36 to 27 isn't a very strong consensus.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky

Okay Guy

#137: Dec 1st 2011 at 6:45:51 PM

Could we let if slide if those against have no strong argument to and those for do have strong arguments.

But seriously, as much as I really want to rename this, I'd like to see at least 1:50:1 before we do this.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky

Okay Guy

#138: Dec 1st 2011 at 6:58:12 PM

@black cat Wasn't the thread already clocked and it ran out yester day? It's not that I don't want more time to work on this, but am I misunderstanding how a clocking works?

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords

Gentleman Troper!

#139: Dec 1st 2011 at 8:18:38 PM

Of course the people who voted for are going to claim that this is a consensus, and the people who voted against are going to claim that this isn't one.

...we seriously need a better resolution system than a popularity vote, but this thread is hardly the place to create one.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001

Only Sane Fox

#140: Dec 3rd 2011 at 7:49:14 AM

Uh, what exactly is this trope supposed to be, anyway?

Insufferable Genius meets Serious Business?

The Munchkin meets The Fundamentalist?

What?

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001

#141: Dec 3rd 2011 at 8:10:14 AM

It's an Audience Reaction: A person who looks down on others for not doing/playing by what they consider the optimal/most skilled/most distinguished way, never mind that other ways might be fun.

BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001