Not tropes: Shipping Tropes

Yes, what you're describing is Troper Tales, or maybe a review or something. We don't catalog tropers' Berserk Buttons because they are completely irrelevant. I think you are really reaching with this. Any individual trope will have a clear distinction as to whether it's intended for objective or subjective use. Those that don't have been getting clarified or split, as needed.

None of which says anything useful about the topic of this conversation. If Shipping Tropes contains actual tropes, then its name as an index is not inaccurate. If we want to be pedantic, we can change it to Shipping Index but keep the redirect. Does anybody have anything new to contribute or should we go to a crowner at this point?

Bumping for resolution, If most of these are Audience Reactions then we should probably change the name.

Made a crowner weather to rename or not.

I like Ways To Ship

I'm for a rename, when I hear Shipping Tropes I think:

• Abandon Ship
• Sinking Ship Scenario
• Going Down with the Ship
• Boarding Party
• Standard Starship Scuffle
• Failed To Pay Shipping Charges
• Space Is an Ocean
• The Sky Is an Ocean
• Generation Ships
• The Ark
• The Bridge
• Bridge Bunnies
• Sink The Life Boats
• The Mothership
• Drop Ship

Wasn't aware terms like Anchored Ship, Sister Ship, War Ship and Transdimensional Ship were pre-existing fanfic terms before people started using them on Vessels.

edited 5th Aug '11 8:51:30 PM by No9

If we were going to rename, it would be the "tropes" part of it. Not the shipping part. We can't rename a pre-existing concept just because it confuses some people.

Many of the Shipping Tropes are tropes even outside of fanfiction. Shipper on Deck and Matchmaker Crush have already been mentioned, but there's also Anchored Ship, Official Couple, Shipping Bed Death, Ship Sinking, Ship Tease, Sister Ship, and Super Couple, which are all pretty much exclusive to source material (although I guess they all could appear in fanfiction, just as any other trope could). Angel/Devil Shipping, Ghost Shipping, Minionshipping, Robo Ship, Starboarding, Theme Pairing, Toy Ship, Transdimensional Ship, Unequal Pairing, War Ship, Yaoi Fangirl, and Yuri Fan can all appear in non-fanworks as easily as they can be fan reactions. And all of the Shipping Tropes are tropes when they are used in fanfiction.

In short, Shipping Tropes are tropes and they deserve to be called that. I do support limiting the examples to uses within specific fanfics (and other works where applicable, of course) as opposed to "in this fandom x and y are popular".

edited 5th Aug '11 8:30:32 PM by StarryEyed

Frankly, I've always felt many of those should be renamed. Things like Shipper on Deck are fine, but ones that are about types of romance, such as Ghost Shipping, should not have names that sound like types of shipping.

I just wish shippers weren't such fuckheads that they took over a term like "ship" for their bullshit.

Shipping Reactions would be an acceptable name.

Except a good chunk of them aren't reactions, but tropes.

I like the name Ways To Ship. It's creative.

EDIT: And then I realize that I suggested that on the first page.

edited 6th Aug '11 10:22:43 AM by chihuahua0

Note that in addition to Fan Fic, there's also some mainstream fic about fans and fandom (e.g. Big Bang Theory or Bimbos Of The Death Sun). Any of these are likely to show up in-universe in such works.

Note: I still definitely support a rename. These may be tropeable, but I suspect that only a few are actual tropes yet.

I am utterly opposed to anything that implies this is related to actual ships.

I like this. I don't think a rename is needed, but I think this name is good. 'Ship' is never used as a verb for actual ships, isn't it? So it clears the confusion.

You aren't familiar with the term "ship" as a verb being synonymous with "mail" or "send"?

Yes I am. But it is not as common as vehicles ships. And I don't think people will ever look for an Index with this verb.

Ways To Ship isn't too bad.

Maybe such things would be more at home in Audience Reaction namespace?

I agree.

How about Relationshipping Tropes for the name?

Pairings Addiction?

To clarify something: we are not going to change the term "shipping". Yes, it's awful, confusing, and the idiot who created it deserves to die by firing squad. But it's the accepted internet term for this phenomenon.

The original issue was whether these were actually tropes or not - since we've concluded they are, the only real issue is to make sure people don't mistake this for a trope about literal ships. That doesn't mean, though, that we should eliminate the "shipping" term from the name altogether. That's why I favor Ways To Ship - it retains the "shipping" connection, while being much less likely to suggest it has to do with literal ships. Something like "Pairings Addiction" (sorry, Raso), though, would be a case of creating our own term and just confusing everyone.

edited 10th Aug '11 1:34:12 AM by nrjxll

"Pairings" is another well-known term for this, actually.

Also, when did we conclude these are tropes? Because they can appear in fanfic? By that logic, every Audience Reaction is actually a trope. I am loath to just bring up a point again, but it was never answered, so: If "it can inform fanfiction" is enough of a reason to call something a trope, why do we have the concept of an Audience Reaction at all?

So okay, you can dive into fine distinctions and say "it's not inherently a trope or a reaction, it depends on the context", but in practice we have a system where items are clearly categorized as one or the other. What happened to that huge push a-year-ago-ish for "we're stopping calling everything a trope"?

edited 10th Aug '11 4:00:32 AM by TripleElation

No, "Pairings" are what you "Ship"

I've seen entire forums where "shipping" is nearly unheard of and people use the term "Pairings" to refer to the whole thing. I hear this is the case with Anime forums in general, but I haven't tried to verify it.

edited 10th Aug '11 4:51:46 AM by TripleElation

"Pairings" also describes what happens in-universe when you have a matchmaker. Like it or not, "shipping" is the term associated with fan reaction pairing. Much as I dislike "shipping", any attempt to change it ought to be part of a broader special effort to replace it on the wiki, rather than a piecemeal trope-at-a-time change.