Here is where you can find theories from Miraculous Ladybug about the Villains, the Akumatized, and the Sentimonsters.
- The other Kwamis potentially being used by Big Bads seems unlikely at present, due to Master Fu possessing all but one of the other unaccounted-for Miraculous. That having been said, there IS one unaccounted for besides the Butterfly Brooch.
- As of "Volpina", the missing peacock miraculous belongs to Gabriel Agreste, and seems to have previously belonged to Adrien's mother. Since Hawk Moth has not yet been defeated or even unmasked, he is bound to stay for at least one more season.
- Despite the series being confirmed for at least 6 seasons the 2-part finale for season 4 is titled "The Last Attack of Shadow Moth". Who are they going to fight in season 5 to 6 then?
- Hawk Moth still, he's just not Shadow Moth anymore because he gave up the Peacock.
- The other Kwamis potentially being used by Big Bads seems unlikely at present, due to Master Fu possessing all but one of the other unaccounted-for Miraculous. That having been said, there IS one unaccounted for besides the Butterfly Brooch.
- Jossed in regards to Season 1. The reason Nooroo and Wayzz are in the opening appears to be simply because they're the only kwami besides Tikki and Plagg that were shown and named this season.
- I would also think that due to his powers coming from a Miraculous, it's a one-time-per-day thing. Then again, there was Antibug, where he used two (although one had been used the previous day off-screen). Unless he fed his kwami very quickly.
- This makes a lot of sense if we take the akumas to be the same as Ladybug's Lucky Charm and Cat Noir's Cataclysm. Including the five-minute rule. As for the time he made two akumas on the same episode, well, we have seen Ladybug and Cat use their abilities twice on the same day, so it could be a similar case for him.
- Specifically, Because their Kwamis are eating well. Nooroo probably subsisting as a passive resistance to Hawk Moth's schemes. Thus one Akuma a day, after Nooroo has eaten his daily meal.
- In "Mayura", Hawk Moth tells the heroes that unlike them, he can maintain his transformation after using his powers because he's more experienced.
- Confirmed. He has to grow his own white butterflies, as we see in several episodes of Season 3.
- Possibly confirmed. Nooroo's exposition seems to suggest that Hawk Moth's use of his Miraculous is a corruption of its normal intent, which likely means it was meant to operate on positive emotions, not negative ones.
- Doesn't seem to be the case. Catalyst, Chameleon, and The Collector are all in some form of positive mood when akumatised. The person doesn't become a hero, they just have a lot more control over their actions and aren't directed by their emotions. Using negative emotions makes them Brainwashed and Crazy. Using positive to neutral emotions makes them powerful superbeings. They aren't necessarily geared towards goodness. I actually imagine being consumed by a super positive emotion wouldn't be any better than being consumed by a super negative one. The logic of the negative emotion becoming the only thing they feel would imply the same is true for positive feelings. Based on what we see with the negative emotions, that could range from wanting to make everyone feel the way they do to being extremely invasive with the person who made them so happy. Might be interesting to see if that's the case, or if they keep their own mind the same as if they were feeling neutral to just normal levels of happiness.
- Debatable. He should be able to call them, though.
- He might just be trying to flush them out, because he knows about how old they are. He's narrowing things down. Ladybug does not help by making it pretty clear that she knows her classmates compared to Cat Noir almost never using a classmate's name unless he, as Cat Noir, have talked to them a few times.
- As of the Season 2 episode "Despair Bear", it seems he's only targeting people around them because he just assumes Chloé's going to upset someone, so he apparently always has his eye on her. So it seems to just be a coincidence revolving around how Chloé is in their class.
- If Hawk Moth's secret identity is Gabriel Agreste, his backstory could take inspiration from the early life of his namesake, Coco Chanel, which included poverty and Parental Abandonment.
- "Gorizilla" has Hawk Moth lose a game of chicken with Adrien and allow Ladybug to rescue him, blowing a possible chance to learn Cat Noir's identity, lending credence to this theory.
- If it happens, Hawk Moth will keep an eye on them.
- Confirmed on both counts. But of all people it's Chloé who resists akumatization. Hawk Moth is also keeping an eye on Chloé but has been ever since he knew she was Queen Bee, sizing her up to be an ally.
- Jossed. He did lose but he's more determined than ever.
- Corollary to this theory; Hawk Moth can only teleport in total darkness. That is why (other than cheap reusable animation) his lair is dark until that shutter opens. if Gabriel is Hawk Moth is true, this also explains why he wasn't giving a rant at the end of Simon Says. He was on the roof in broad daylight, unable to use his teleportation.
- We've seen in "Catalyst" that Lila is completely willing to do whatever Hawk Moth asks of him. She will presumably continue to aid him throughout Season 3.
- Hawk Moth is a Well-Intentioned Extremist who wants to use the Miraculouses for good purposes, and owing to that draws the line at using force on his akumas unless he absolutely has to; or
- Nooroo, while enslaved, can potentially fight back and exert some kind of magical influence over the Miraculous that prevents a user from using it for the worst it is capable of unless the user truly puts their mind to it, and there's subtle enchantment on Hawk Moth that prevents him from taking the brute-force approach.
- Hawk Moth has already been shown to possess the power to create multiple akumas in one day, this was shown in "The Collector", as both he and Lila were akumatised on the same day within two hours and in no more than thirty minutes after Volpina's defeat. "Antibug" doesn't count, because Sabrina was not akumatised on the same day as Chloé. There were also two akumas in "Princess Fragrance", the titular Princess Fragrance and the Magician of Misfortune, an akuma attack is mentioned at the start of "Darkblade" as well, before D'Argencourt is akumatised. So we know he already possesses the power to make more than one a day. He just doesn't usually do it, and considering how Stoneheart's akuma copies itself... There's also the fact that, at no point, is it shown or even implied that Hawk Moth has a special ability like Lucky Charm. Akumatisation is not shown in that light, something that is backed up strongly by how in "Despair Bear", "Robostus", and "Gigantitan", he is in no rush to get his akuma anywhere nor is he in a rush to stop conversing with Robostus like he needs to get going to feed his kwami. Akumas get places pretty quickly, as shown in other episodes like "Dark Cupid", "Prime Queen", and "Befana" where the person has not moved even though there are people nearby them, meaning he has no time to just detransform, feed Nooroo, and be back in time to chit-chat with his victim. He
- Jossed. The stone of the swordstick flips up and HM talks into it.
If he wanted he could target people with far, far bigger issues (e.g. an abuse victim) or just more cruel and amoral (hardened criminals, terrorists). He doesn't because he's afraid such individuals would either be too destructive and could destroy the Miraculous or couldn't be trusted to not turn against him (for example, a corrupt politician is likely manipulative enough to outsmart him to steal his Miraculous for themselves).
Odds are it will start with him acting irregularly in-costume, losing his patience with his villains more quickly and perhaps even inflicting his Agony Beam on them unprovoked. Soon it bleeds into his civilian life. He becomes abusive (more so than usual) to everyone around him and he might start hearing voices, his natural skittishness growing into full paranoia.
In the end, he will gets his hands on the two miraculouses. And certainly reveal his identity to Marinette and Adrien (and to each other) at the same time. His goal is to "rewrite reality", and for this reason his wish will be something like: "I wish miraculouses had never existed." Marinette will wake up in a world where kwamis are not around, where she never was Ladybug, where nobody has ever heard of akumatized or miraculous wielders heroes. Even worse, she never met Adrien as he did not go to school (as his mother was always around). But Marinette will remember everything for some reason. Either because she is the best Laybug, the guardian, or an even more special reason than that (or a combination of all those). She will try to contact Adrien/Cat noir, and despite he can't recognize this strange girl, he will quickly believe her as his sentiments for Marinette will resurface soon like in "Oblivio". Unfortunately, there is the "price to pay" for the wish. Maybe Adrien will start to show the same symptoms as his mother. Gabriel will realize he did not want to exchange his life for the one of his wife and may recall his wish. If not, Powers That Be may intervene when they realize Marinette somehow wasn't affected by the wish and this is not normal, thus; they will recall the wish themselves.
- It did not happen in the Season 4 finale, but it's still possible it will happen in future seasons.
- And it'll turn out to be another cover-up like the Collector.
Yet when he actually made the wish, he sacrificed himself.
Alternatively, it changes because what Cat Noir said to him when he was Nightormentor had set in by that point, and he realized that he wasn't a good father, and thought that the only way to make up for it at that point was to sacrifice himself, or at least that he was more disposable.
- He is also very much aware that he's possibly putting Adrien in danger, but he absolutely needs to do what he's doing (and getting the ring would eventually protect Adrien). This may be related to the below WMG about Gabriel actually knowing Mrs Agreste's whereabouts, and the two have a goal regarding the Miraculouses.
- Considering both WMG were penned by the same person, that's the idea, yes. He can't take the ring now, though- Adrien couldn't be safer than being Cat Noir.
- They have very similar short hairstyles, and peacocks are regarded by humans to be ostentatious and beautiful, something that could be reasonably related to in the fashion world.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. It's Nathalie.
- Cue to Mayura never revealing her secret identity to Hawk Moth, even if she could probably discover his identity easily and blackmail him with threats that she will kill his wife.
- Actually, even if she becomes his boss in the truest sense of the word, they may both take some time to discover the civilian identity of the other. That would make them a dark reflection of the relationship between Cat Noir and Ladybug.
- Another possible way this could go down: Emilie just plain wants the Ladybug and Cat Miraculouses to Take Over the World, so she either faked her own death knowing Gabriel would go to hell and back just to "save" her, or faked her own kidnapping and is now blackmailing Gabriel into working as her patsy.
- Caline and Mayura also seem to both wear a necklace on a short chain, though it's hard to tell on Mayura if that's a necklace or not. Mayura also seems to be holding a quill in her right hand, and Caline Bustier does teach literature.
- Caline also has direct ties to most of the akuma victims, as thirteen of her now fifteen students have been akumatisednote and four of the remaining akumas also attend or work at the school and some of them definitely know her since she seems to be the primary teacher for French Lit and poetrynote . There are around 28 known akuma victims (I count 28 that have names, but there's a number mentioned or implied offscreen), and 17 of them she works with. And that's not counting the akuma victims that are family of any of her students (which is another five including Alix's brother Jalil and Marinette's great-uncle six if you count The Collector). For those keeping score at home, this means there's only around 6 total victims that do not have any obvious or clear ties to Miss Bustier, which is rather interesting. It's 5 if you take away Guitar Villain, since he arrived at the hotel while she was in the lobby and he worked closely with one of her students (and is presently friends with Marinette).
- Caline is also curiously fine with the excuses Marinette and Adrien give, which Ms. Mendeleiev on the other hand does not buy. Almost as if she suspects something. While she might suspect they're being teenagers and snogging in a broom closet, she's awful understanding if that's the case. She doesn't even really seem too upset when Marinette doesn't come back to class after being "in the bathroom" for so long.
- Nathalie is Mayura.
- Also; Did Chloé's mother leave her at a young age just to create the perfect Akumatised Villain creator? That would really be playing the long game.
- Jossed.
- Mayura will be Kagami's mother in keeping with Kagami being a Foil to Adrien; both champion fencers who are lonely prodigies from upper class families who ultimately are both children of supervillains.
- Jossed. She's Nathalie.
- In fact, according to Feri González "Lila will return with a somewhat important role".
- Well, she does help a Hawk Moth lot during the season 2 finale... as Volpina.
- Jossed.
- Although it is worth noting that Sanskrit is not a common language in either Morocco or Réunion.
- Nathalie proved to be too loyal during "Catalyst" to just turn her back on Gabriel. Therefore, the chances of her being Mayura aren't very high.
- As Nathalie/Catalyst is in Gabriel's lair, it is impossible to deakumatize her without uncovering the truth about Hawk Moth to the heroes. But Mayura could take her out without cutting the plot short.
- Catalyst is Gabriel's trump card. That would give Mayura an in-story justification to incapacitate her. Otherwise, only Blackmail could help her keep Hawk Moth on a leash.
- The season overview states that Mayura would provide the supervillains with 'allies''. That would be redundant with Catayst around. Therefore, one of them has to go.
- Jossed, but it is still anyone's guess how would Nathalie end up becoming the 'boss' of Hawk Moth, given her loyalty and the damaged Peacock Miraculous.
Personality/Character
- Especially if her motivations are more sinister than his.
Motivations
- There is absolutely no way Lila will be interested in giving up the opportunity to be re-akumatized let alone helping Ladybug. The next time she's akumatized as Marinette offers Lila a magical charm, she'll seemly accept it... And then hand it over to Hawk Moth at first chance while explaining to him how it works.
- Jossed. Shadow Moth finds out about the Magical Charms by himself after akumatizing a Sentimonster of himself in "Gabriel Agreste".
- Confirmed, although she is de-akumatized by Hawk Moth before the two can fight.
- It would be interesting to see an accomplice to Hawk Moth who willingly accepts the power the Akuma gives them. These individuals probably wouldn't become Brainwashed and Crazy. She'd also work in secret for a while, using her mirage powers but never being so obvious as when she was Akumatised, allowing for her to maintain a public life.
- If Lila does not Heel–Face Turn, she will takes Hawk Moth's Big Bad position.
- Confirmed. In "Catalyst", she is akumatized once more. She then returns to school in Season 3's "Chameleon" and continues to make Marinette miserable by turning the school against her.
- Also, she thought that her lying would encourage Hawk Moth to akumatize her.
- While there's no word on her actions in "Volpina", in "Catalyst" the Slasher Smile she has after being returned to normal by Hawk Moth does her no favors.
- Or her ancestor really did posses the Fox Miraculous at some point. It could be why she was so interested in the book, and why she seemed to really snap when Ladybug said she was lying about it.
- Possibly jossed as "Lila Rossi" is a false identity.
- In her concept art, Lila has sunglasses similar to Chloé's on her head. Perhaps Lila will start wearing them as a symbolic crown, while Chloé gives her own up?
- A sad bonus is if Lila tricks Sabrina to befriend her and abandon Chloé, hurting Chloé deeply and resulting in Sabrina only leaving one awful friend to end up with another for at least awhile.
- Seemingly confirmed. Lila's originally-planned character arc for Season 2 was that she would be lying and manipulating her way towards becoming the most popular girl in school and winning Adrien's undivided attention, forcing Marinette, Alya, and Chloé to work together against her. This arc may have been moved to Season 3 starting with "Chameleon". But jossed as Lila wins over Chloé over their shared hatred for Marinette and Ladybug.
- This Maltese troper is very confused by this theory, as Maltese people do not speak Arabic nor is Layla a common name at all on the islands.
- The Maltese language is descended from Arabic.
- Names are not a flawless indicator of where people come from. Alya's family is from Martinique, but not one person in her family has a name that reflects it. Rose is not a French name, either, yet she's French.
- Confirmed by Word of God: she's half-Klingon, half-duck.
- While her being of mixed ancestry at all is still possible, her being Italian is most likely Jossed as "Lila Rossi" is a false identity with her real ancestry unknown.
- Assuming the whole diplomat thing isn't just another one of her lies.
- We know in "Catalyst" that her mother works at the embassy, but it's not clear exactly what she does.
- Technically true as of Season 5, where we learn that Lila has several "mothers" and fake identities that she distances from each other. There is no word on whether or not the partner of the mother mentioned here is a diplomat or not (if she even has a partner), but Lila's second mother appears to work at the Style Queen magazine, while her third mother's job is not mentioned at all.
- As of "Catalyst", she's willingly committing atrocities for Hawk Moth, which really doesn't help her case. Then "Perfection" shows her essentially stalking people who crossed her and "Confrontation" revealing she uses false identities, with Lila Rossi being one of said identities.
- While redemption is still entirely possible, her becoming the real Volpina seems to have been Jossed: as of October 2016, it's been confirmed that Alya will get the Fox Miraculous in Season 2.
- Further Jossed in "Catalyst", "Mayura", "Chameleon", "Revelation", "Confrontation", "Collusion" with her total willingness to commit atrocities for her own benefit, although the ending of "Ladybug" and the "Miraculous Secrets" short centered around Lila put the option back on the table, although it would take a lot of effort and more insight into her background.
- Completely jossed as of right now as she succeeds Gabriel as the next main villain of the show in "Re-creation", even the leaked series Bible describing her as a much bigger evil than he ever was.
- Confirmed. In Season 3, she becomes Chameleon, a shapeshifting villain who can mimic the appearance and powers of anybody she touches. And in season 5, she becomes Hoaxer, an upgraded version of Volpina who can travel through the Alliance rings and brainwash those using them.
- It happens again in "Revelation", when she gets akumatized into Hoaxer, who is pretty much a combo between Volpina and Miracle Queen.
- Regardless of what sparked (and maintained) her attraction towards Adrien, she seems to have lost all interest in him as of "Confrontation".
- It's possible that her hypothetical powers are related to the Miraculous given that the only people who seem immune to them are Adrien and Marinette, who are also the only two heroes who wear their Miraculous items all the time.
- Or, more simply, she has the power to knock down the intelligence of everyone around her by several pegs, which would also explain why so many people believe her lies.
- Confirmed for season 3 in "Chameleon" and "Ladybug".
- Neither of them show their true face to the world, either.
- Sure, she could be but not for those reasons, I don't think. Cat Noir never said he didn't believe Ladybug, he said he's finding her behavior odd, which is perfectly reasonable after seeing her humiliate a girl in the park for telling, as far as he could see, one or two lies to a boy she likes to impress him, and then treating this new hero with equal coldness for no reason. Something she has never done before. He's only ever seen her act cold towards Chloé before and that was after seeing Chloé be so flippant about her safety and lying to them. So yes, he's going to find her behavior odd, but Cat Noir does not let other people's opinions dictate how he sees someone. He also believes her when she tells him Lila's an akuma. Cat Noir also doesn't assure her of his safety as tactfully as normal because, spitballing here, it's a little hard to lie when she can see Adrien being carried off and when Adrien is the target, not a bystander like he is in every other situation. He can assure her Adrien is safe normally because he isn't there to be seen. He's also much better at assuring Marinette of his safety than he is assuring Ladybug. If Adrien doesn't know she's lying, he can't call her out on lying. Adrien also now knows Lila is a liar, and he was starting to lose interest as Lila slandered Ladybug like she did. Lila pushed her lies too far and assumed Adrien's interest in Ladybug was because she was a superhero. He's also still interested in Ladybug (calling her stubbornness irresistible) so he might not like Lila, considering how she slammed Ladybug for the sake of a lie.
- Jossed. As of "Oni-Chan" and especially "Ladybug" Adrien views Lila as an enemy.
- The part about it relating to her Italian culture is most likely Jossed as "Lila Rossi" is a false identity with her real ancestry unknown.
- She eventually found out that Adrien has feelings for Marinette (like everyone else), but it's unclear whether she suspected him of having feelings for her before they started dating or not.
Not all Abusive Parents act the same way and some prefer to act "nice" to get what they want from their children, some go to some tactics as shown in the "unwanted assistance" and as such children whom live with such parents prefer to use some misdirection and lies to avoid the abusive parents' wrath. Also some viewers might notice but her room has more "national items" put as wall items rather than items a young girl would put on, another clue is how unpersonalized her laptop looks. This can be compounded as that like Adrien, Lila is expected to be the "perfect" daughter, with little parental support or guidance, and as such her reactions in some scenes are on the avoid reflexes to let the parent down, however when alone she slumps into depression due to not being able to cope with the psychological demands.
Due to the BRAT situation it is likely that Lila has no friends due to how the moving to a different country can do that, another factor is that the new kid in school tends to be a bully magnet. So by redoing the process for the nth time it is likely that Lila is trying to make herself look better to fit in a place where everyone has "celebrity connections" and knows would be bullied if they knew how her real life truly is. Due to the moving and likelihood of some places the parents have gone it is likely that jingoism has made "heroes" to turn against her. Example:
- Rogercop experience: In a past country Lila gets in a situation similar to the "stealing" incident but given the absent parents she gets cleared of charges of the "theft" but something way more embarrassing gets out, for the sake of the argument let us say that she had Princess Penguin memorabilia (a very young kid oriented show, like 5 years below her real age) stashed in her school bag. Cue the class laughing stock for the rest of that year. A chance when a cop could have been the everyday hero and decided to just go through with the corrupt authority.
Series wise her actions can be analyzed as follow: In Volpina she lies to fit in because the bar is high, however when with Adrien the situation ends up with Marinette pulling something worthy of Super Dickery (Or would it be called Lady Dickery in universe?) and as such crossed the last hero in the list (super heroes were the ones that were missing in the list) that let Lila down. What is ironical is that Adrien was uncomfortable but trying to find a way to get things to settle peacefully. By the end of the episode not only is Lila in the hardest point of access of the Eiffel Tower but out of range for the rescue teams that provides some treatment or support for the akumatized victims. By the time for Catalyst Lila has avoided her troubles by not going to school and using the "rules" to avoid trouble, the moment Mr. Damocles calls is shown that he is going "by the book" instead of calling at another hour (the call is under standard procedures with students that skip school days). What is interesting is not that Lila is covering herself but that Mrs. Rossi didn't cross check on her child's information, which is rare for a diplomat but if the "Black Sheep" is not making any trouble "why check on said sheep?" (the favorite would get reviewed on not wasting time in education and as such checked on the veracity faster) which can make Gabriel Agreste actually seem a more present father in Adrien's life due to keeping tabs on him. By Chameleon one important line is to be seen as "no more heroes" (actual line actual line in English: "Are you trying to be some superhero lecturing me just like Ladybug did? Well thanks, but no thanks.", in Spanish it goes with the equivalent of "goody two shoes/sanctimonious") which showcases a lot of pent up anger, sadness and frustration which can showcase that if the world has treated her as a villain then she is going with a "then let me be evil" situation (something that can be similar to how Nick Wilde in Zootopia decided to embrace the fox stereotype).
What is interesting is that Adrien tries to negotiate and get Lila to show him the "maskless" Lila which could make him lose the "perfect" mask; however Adrien's lack of Social Skills, as well as Lila's lack of some of the same as protocols vary per country, makes the attempt a failure to an extent but it can hint that the way to deal with Lila is to get her to show a bit of her real self to Adrien and as such both learn to lose the mask.The fallout after Marinette pulled the Super Dickery landed Hawk Moth one of the best brains the heroes could have gotten. The actions through the series show some detective skills (including the comparison of body features to do facial/body recognition), and her targeting of Marinette shows that she has very high suspicions that Marinette is Ladybug and as such is targeting the one that wronged her. Now had the first offense gone differently and the heroes were in a better footing the heroes would have had Lila on their side and her suggestion that Hawk Moth is Gabriel because the misdirection of the fashion victim would pass through her and look as something that would look on an early sketch of a new fashion when things look with the idea but are a fashion victim start; add the broadcast in Catalyst and she would have put the finger that the possibility is high enough to keep more tabs on Gabriel.
- Her being the The Un Favourite could be an explanation for why she needs multiple fake identities.
- A possible argument against this is that Timetagger may have used a male pronoun for the future Hawk Moth. However, he was deliberately deceptive throughout his interaction with Hawk Moth and this may not mean anything.
- Also he could just be mistaken, if it's Lila. She's not exactly honest.
- The Stinger of "Revelation" reveals that Lila is planning to have the Butterfly Miraculous. Make of that what you will.
- Confirmed in "Re-creation".
- Alternately, she had guessed his identity, specifically after her team-up (with Gabriel).
- In the episode "Ladybug" Lila smiles when her causing the downfall of Marinette (as prompted by Gabriel) coincides with an immediate flow of butterflies from Scarlet Moth. She isn't surprised — it seems she knows exactly who she's working for.
- Ultimately confirmed in "Emotion".
- Unlikely. Most of these feats were shown while she was akumatized (and everyone shows superhuman feats while akumatized), as a civilian we saw her helpless against an akumatized villain (Oni-Chan) and generally she never showed any combat sports skills while unapowered in 5 seasons.
- Jossed, at least for this episode.
- But it sorta happens in "Revelation" when she gets akumatized into Hoaxer.
- This becomes likely after "Confrontation" with The Reveal that "Lila Rossi" isn't even her name and was just a fake identity she assumed.
- If she is a sentimonster, then maybe she was created to have lying-related superpowers.
Adrien, too, believed Lila up until the point when Ladybug herself called Lila out in front of him. Adrien trusts Ladybug implicitly, so he cannot rationalize the idea that Lila is best friends with Ladybug while Ladybug openly says it isn't true. It's just after Ladybug says this that Adrien realizes that Lila is not the granddaughter of a superheroine, and it's upon hearing Adrien say that that Lila declares her hatred of Ladybug.
But, no matter how flimsy the lie, unless (due to the above) the person has realized that Lila is capable of lying, if there's even the slightest possibility that it's true, people seem to always accept what comes out of her mouth.
There seems to be some leeway - her claim that she was "protecting Max's eyes" when blocking the napkin came after Marinette pointed out that her allegedly-hurt wrist seemed fine. Everyone had responded in shock at Marinette's initial reveal, but went back to believing her after Lila's counter-claim. Perhaps that claim added just enough credibility to everyone present (besides Marinette, of course) that it allowed that rationalization to take place and re-assert Lila's powers over them.
"Revelation" just had Monarch (probably unintentionally) strengthen the power she already had (such that even unexplainable inconsistencies no longer made a difference.)
This does raise the question of why Alya didn't immediately realize that Lila was a liar upon learning that Marinette was Ladybug (as she had believed Lila's lie about being Ladybug's friend, which at that point she should have known wasn't true), but maybe she just never thought about that particular lie after that.
- Jossed. The season 5 finale has her succeed Gabriel as the next main villain of the show, so she'll definitley attack Ladybug and Cat Noir (as long as the other now permanent heroes from their team) in the future.
- One thing that casts some doubt on Lila having supernatural lying powers is the fact that Chloé managed to be just as manipulative when Lila was secretly telling her what to say through an earpiece.
- Gabriel didn't have a Kwagatama though.
An example of how this is possible: a couple of centuries ago, a young girl was pleading a sad story to passersby who did not believe her, only she managed to convince someone who happened to be the wielder of the Butterfly Miraculous. Taking pity on the girl, the Butterfly user gave her the power to have her story believed by anyone. Then, somehow, the Butterfly Miraculous user died before being able to recall the akuma. The guardian reclaimed the Miraculous, none the wiser.
We've seen that amoks can last for centuries. Why not akumas, especially since this is such a subtle akumatization? There would have been no one trying to find and purify the akuma, and she'd have had no incentive to renounce it. There's a good chance that she hid her akuma object away somewhere safe ages ago.
This is, of course, all contingent on the possibility that you can be akumatized by more than one source simultaneously, and that akumatization stops the aging process.
Since the Butterfly wielder cannot normally be akumatized, perhaps that explains the strange light Cerise sees at the very end of Season 5 - an overcharged Nooroo or something.
- 1. Yes, they both have amber eyes, but Manon has tanned skin, and Lila doesn't.
- 2. Manon has chocolate brown hair, and Lila has purplish-brown hair.
- 3. Manon has bucked teeth, and Lila doesn't.
- 4. Nadja is most definitely busy, leaving Manon to be babysat by Marinette while she goes to work and report the news, but she doesn't seem like the neglectful type.
- Also, on a side-note, various studies show that people with Lila's behavior would definitely exhibit warning signs in early childhood. While definitely bratty and persuasive with her puppy-dog eyes, Manon doesn't show any signs of being a pathological liar.
- This could be a power impervious to Cat Noir: Green Thumb + Cataclysm = fertilized plant monster.
- Jossed. As she wasn't akumatized in seasons 3 and 4 either, it's unlikely she will ever get akumatized.
- Anansi is probably her akumatised name, since hers is spider-themed, where Nancy is her actual given name.
- Confirmed, but her name isn't Nancy. Anansi, yes. She is Alya's older sister
- Sort of happens in "Psycomedian", however she still manages to work through it (with a bit of help from Cat Noir)in order to defeat the villain and purify his Akuma.
- This is a good way to reveal information about Adrien's mother, and at least hint to or at most divulge Freudian Excuses for characters like Chloé and Lila.
- They may be able to go through the different nightmares, necessitating our heroes to help their friends get through their nightmares before they can deal with the akuma victim. This might mean the only victims are Alya, Nino, and Chloé, possibly Lila as well, but Lila would refuse help.
- To be fair, even if Reflekta's powers are only what we saw, she basically has to power to nullify Miraculouses, and going for the logical extreme, she should be able to nullify other kinds of magic too (Imagine if she got a direct hit on a Kwami, or if she had hit Adrien/Marinette before they transformed).
- We also know that she can fly (zooming around Paris on her transforming rampage) and is super-strong (able to lift lockers overhead and tear basketball hoops apart with her hands), which does give her some physical power in a fight. Being able to stop enemies from attacking, including those with Miraculouses, is still her bigger strength if nothing else.
It's also often coupled with the "Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth" WMG above.
- Style Queen could be Chloé's mother, while Malediktor and Queen Wasp are her husband and daughter, making Chloé the first to have two different akumatised forms.
- The plot synopses of the above episodes indicate that this is indeed the case.
- Troublemaker might have power to be a Reality Warper.
- "The Befana" has singing in it from the villain, Ladybug, and Cat Noir, but is not a musical episode, technically.
- Confirmed with the episode "Sapotis". They were akumatized through their hat after getting into a typical sibling spat with Alya over their pranks.
- For some reason, either Nathalie or Gabriel will find it convenient for Nathalie to be akumatized. Perhaps she just wants to vent at some particularly annoying individual, perhaps Adrien or Marinette will come to suspect that she is Hawk Moth (after all, other than Adrien and Gabriel, she's the only one who might have access to the Miraculous spellbook when it's in the Agreste safe), perhaps Gabriel will want to put some pressure on Adrien. Whatever the reason, she will be another willing akumatization (along the lines of The Collector).
- And we will get a scene of Nathalie smashing things with her usual bored look on her face as she "sets the scene" for her akumatization.
- Nathalie is indeed akumatized as Catalyst in the Season 2 two-part finale.
- Of course, the second akumatization may or may not carry the same powers as the first. In fact, given how context-dependent many akumas are, it is by far more likely that the second akumatization will carry totally different powers from the first.
- Two things. First, as of "The Collector", we know they can be reakumatised because Mylène and Kim nearly are. Second, a little math comes close to disproving this theory. As of the writing of this, there are a total of 23 announced akumatised villains for the season. There is also Luka, who makes a potential 24th, as well as Anansi, making for 25 provided one of the unnamed villains isn't Luka, and there's been a hint that Master Fu will be akumatisednote , making for the full season of 26. The only possible hope for this WMG at this point is that this person is Luka, since this is the only one that could theoretically be male. Also there's Chris, who could hypothetically be one of the known but unnamed villains.
- The plot synopsis for Style Queen indicates that Chloé is coming back for round two, confirming this.
- It'll be Lila. She's the first de-akumatized character who doesn't feel remorse.
- CALLED IT ON ALL COUNTS!
- If she does, it's possible this happens because she's disappointed in Marinette for lying (be it one lie or several).
- Félix will become the new Cat Blanc. Someone will refer to him as "Cat Noir's evil twin"; obviously ignoring that both are cousins.
- Wrong, Félix almost gets akumatized, but he resists it.
- Confirmed, he is akumatized in "Furious Fu", and it's all but confirmed that this was only possible because he has lost his memories of being a Guardian.
- Sort of happens in "Collusion", however she gets akumatized in order to protect the future of all of her students, not just her baby's.
It is likely that the statue was used as a vessel for an amok, creating a life-like replica for Pygmalion to interact with like a real human-being. In "Ladybug", Mayura was able to create a sentimonster replica of Ladybug so convincing that it developed a will of its own, so it is clear that the Peacock Miraculous is capable of making people.
While Aphrodite is not associated with peacocks - that being more Hera's thing - there are likely some versions of the story where is was Hera, and Hera is the goddess of marriage, so it is still a likely parallel.
- Jossed when "Miraculous Secrets: Nathalie as seen by Gabriel" reveals that she is the one who helped them find the two Miraculous in Tibet. She's also shown thinking, "I should never have taken this job" in "Stormy Weather 2".
- Adrien is "perfect" according to Astruc. Perhaps a little too perfect? In the episode "Ladybug" the Sentimonster Ladybug is also called "perfect."
- He was kept home-schooled. Emilie and Gabriel wanted him to sooth their own grief and didn't trust he could be around others his own apparent age. In the Origins episode, Gabriel says that Adrien "isn't like" other kids. He follows up with "you're my son", but...
- This provides an understandable, well-intentioned reason for Emilie to push her use of the Peacock Miraculous, and for Gabriel to let her do it.
- The episode "Feast" shows that more than one Sentimonster can exist at the same time if they were created by two different Peacock wielders. One was dormant in this case, but that was due to circumstances. There was still an amok inside Feast for nearly two centuries. This is backed up by "Optigami": Mayura created a Sentimonster between seasons, which must have existed alongside every Sentimonster Shadow Moth created in the first half of season 4. However, Shadow Moth has not created two separate Sentimonsters on his own at the same time.
- Another thing: Cataclysm. This power has been shown to destroy organic matter, buildings, Shell-ter, a magical prison dimension and even Miraculous. Though we've almost never clearly seen it be used on a living thing, we've seen two (false in the first case and arguable in the second) images of Cat Noir or Copycat getting hit by his own Cataclysm and crumbling to dust. I can only think of two things that haven't been outright destroyed by an application of Cataclysm offhand: Reflekdoll (obviously a Sentimonster) and the actual Cat Noir himself (when hit by Miraculer.) Both were hurt, but neither destroyed.
- Roads and bridges are also Sentimonsters then, because Cataclysm doesn't destroy every square inch of road when it's used on those. It only seems to do so much damage over a certain area, and it doesn't seem capable of killing. Reflekdoll's damage was no different than Cat Noir using it on a road- it only created cracks and fissures, but didn't completely destroy it. Likely because of how large it is. We also see in several episodes that Cataclysm causes technology to malfunction, which is exactly what happens to Reflekdoll. We also never see Cataclysm used on living things EXCEPT for Cat Noir.
- Season 4 shows that Sentimonsters are not destroyed when hit by a Cataclysm. Instead they become cracked and out of control. We don't know why Cat Noir survived Miraculer's Cataclysm - maybe it's because he's a living being, maybe because he's superpowered, and maybe because Miraculer's Cataclysm isn't a "real" Cataclysm.
- Hang on. You can't tell me that Gabriel, controlling as he is, would give Adrien's Amok to anyone, even Adrien himself? Obviously Emilie can't still have it, or Gabriel would have taken it to keep Adrien safe by controlling him. It seems unlikely Emilie wouldn't tell him what it was or that he wouldn't hunt it down. As to the portrait suggestion, the Amok can't be locked up or in his room- when Bugette's Amok was just on the ground with nobody to control her, she stopped moving. Sentimonsters can't act without someone, even them, holding their Amok. Adrien obviously doesn't have this supposed Amok- the only thing he always has on him is his Miraculous, and he even takes THAT off in "Reflekdoll" to completely change his clothing. If he doesn't even put the Black Cat Miraculous in his pocket, despite its importance, why would he put an Amok in his pocket? It doesn't seem possible Adrien is a Sentimonster if you think about how the Amok seem to work. They need someone (or the Sentimonster itself) to have possession of them, physical possession, for the Sentimonster to be able to act. Moreover, Emilie creating an Adrien Sentimonster wouldn't force her to repeatedly use the Peacock, so it doesn't justify her using it enough it nearly kills her like suggested above. She just had to use it the once, because whoever has the Amok calls the shots, not the Peacock holder. They just have the ability to destroy the Sentimonster.
- The rules are not that clear. Nobody was holding Hawk Moth's broken cane and the giant butterfly moved. So did the lollipop monster when the pacifier was dropped. Also, the extent and exact effects of a Cataclysm are normally up to the user of the power: it once broke a prison dimension of seemingly unlimited extent. It seems likely that Ladybug willed the total annihilation of Reflekdoll, but she was only able to crack it and drive it crazy. And although Gabriel is controlling, if he wants a substitute son he would not be satisfied with a puppet that required his command for every move. It is plausible that he knows the amokitized object but leaves it alone.
- Keep in mind she doesn't know how to use Cataclysm and that Cat Noir doesn't always destroy everything he touches even if he's trying to. I mean he was trying to destroy Ladybug but when he set off the fireworks in Princess Fragrance, all he did was make the machine malfunction. Cataclysm is only able to make technology go haywire, it cannot destroy it. I would argue if this absurd idea is true, that Gabriel would not let go of the Amok, and that would not mean he has to give Adrien every single order. It would however let him keep tabs on his son and make sure his son doesn't go against his wishes. But this doesn't seem to be how Adrien functions. He has his own free will and disobeys his father often. Ergo, Adrien cannot possibly be a Sentimonster, because he has free will and his father obviously doesn't have his amok. And Gabriel would most certainly have it- there is no arguing this fact. Based on the kind of person he is, Adrien's amok would not leave his possession, and thus, Adrien would not be able to disobey him.
- As of "Cat Blanc", the situation is... ambiguous: We see that Cataclysm does in fact cause humans to crumble to dust, even if they're currently transformed via Miraculous... well, at least, Cat Blanc's super-Cataclysm does. That still leaves the question of Cat Noir's normal Cataclysm. All the same, though every last one is frustratingly a special case, it remains true that every seeming instance of Cataclysm used on a human destroys them, except with Miraculer on Cat Noir.
- The rules are not that clear. Nobody was holding Hawk Moth's broken cane and the giant butterfly moved. So did the lollipop monster when the pacifier was dropped. Also, the extent and exact effects of a Cataclysm are normally up to the user of the power: it once broke a prison dimension of seemingly unlimited extent. It seems likely that Ladybug willed the total annihilation of Reflekdoll, but she was only able to crack it and drive it crazy. And although Gabriel is controlling, if he wants a substitute son he would not be satisfied with a puppet that required his command for every move. It is plausible that he knows the amokitized object but leaves it alone.
- What if Emilie made Gabriel promise never to use the amok object to control Adrien? He loves her and insists on keeping his word, so that could be it.
- Alternately, what if Emilie specifically imbued the Adrien sentimonster with true free will, so that he cannot be controlled through his amok? Either deliberately, or as a side effect of making him able to learn and grow like a human being? Again, we've seen that creating an intelligent sentimonster (Ladybug) was exhausting for Nathalie but didn't drain her to the point of coma, so whatever Emelie did would have to be a step beyond even that.
- We have seen that a complex enough sentimonster can become fully sentient if no one is holding its amok and giving it commands, and making Adrien this realistic and this resilient (surviving Cataclysm) might be what damaged the miraculous (and its user) in the first place. Gabriel wouldn't be unable to send him to school and expect him to act like a normal human. BUT... we know what a control freak Gabriel is. The real problem here is that Gabriel would never decide not to use something that would give him complete control over Adrien. Also, when he suspects Cat Noir is Adrien, he'd have an easy time confirming it. Next time he sees Cat Noir, get the amok and give him an order. Something small like "cough twice" that won't cause Adrien too much trouble if it's not him and he's somewhere else.
- One thing to consider that might point toward this theory: Nathalie used the broken Miraculous all season and though she suffers, she was pretty far from "Human Popsicle in a life support tube" status by the end. Emilie's current condition would mean she did even more with it than Nathalie has - yet there's no sign of a rash of kaiju attacks in the show's backstory. So just what did Emilie do that was so much more taxing than everything Nathalie did put together, but went unnoticed? Hmmm...
- The fact that he is exactly identical to his cousin Félix to the point where they could impersonate each other seems rather suspect, regardless if their mothers are twins or not. If Adrien is a sentimonster, it is likely that she based Adrien's appearance off of his nephew. With Adrien being a sentimonster, its possible that he has the ability to alter the memories of those around him without even knowing it, thus life will be as though he had always existed.
- Alternately, if we go with the "the Adrien sentimonster is a Replacement Goldfish for the deceased real Adrien" angle suggested by the original poster, Emilie could have modeled "Adrien"'s appearance off of Félix, extrapolating from the fact that the boys looked similar when they were little (depending on how recently the real Adrien died). And depending on the time frame, they might not need to warp anyone's memory - just keep Adrien in seclusion for a bit near the end, make the sentimonster, then claim that he miraculously recovered (which would be true, from a certain point of view).
- This might also explain why Gabriel thinks he needs the Wish to get Emelie back. It's possible that something like Ladybug's Miracle or some lesser restoration magic might be able to cure Emelie... but at the cost of dissipating Adrien. Maybe only the Wish can restore Emelie while still leaving the sentimonster she made intact?
- One problem with this theory: Adrien has memories of his mother getting sick and weakening. So unless Emilie gave him false memories of her growing sick (which makes little sense), then he would have had to be alive before Emilie did whatever it was she did that put her into this coma.
- It's possible Emelie didn't just fall into a coma, her health could have just slowly deteriorated after making a sentimonster as complex as an actual human being, since we know making a Ladybug copy was hard on Nathalie. This would explain why Adrien would have memories of her getting sick.
- In "Mega Leech", after Gabriel scolds and gives orders to Adrien, the camera holds on him rubbing his ring. Back in "Félix", Félix stole Gabriel's ring, and Gabriel took Emilie's. Perhaps this scene is intended as a hint that Emilie's ring holds Adrien's amok.
- It might make more sense if both of the rings were used. Suppose the amok feather was divided in two and placed in the two rings, giving each partial shared control. Then Gabriel took his wife's ring after his was stolen to retain his partial control.
- Alternatively, suppose Emile never told Gabriel what the amokitized object was, fearing his over-controlling nature. He only took her ring for appearance sake, since not having one could lead to embarrassing questions. But now he gives an order and Adrien is unexpectedly obedient. He rubs his ring as he ponders if it could be the controlling object.
- Another possible explanation: if both Adrien and Félix are sentimonsters and each ring controls one, Gabriel would of course want to wear the one that controlled Adrien most of the time. But with the devious Félix due to arrive, he might choose to wear the other ring that day, just in case. We see him handling the rings that morning, supposedly just polishing them, but what if he swapped rings? He didn't end up using the power on Félix, since his nephew directed his malice at Adrien's friends and caused akumas. Félix cleverly anticipated this and stole the ring with his own amok off of his uncle's finger. Gabriel then went back to Emile's pod and took back his own ring so that he could control Adrien again. Gabriel always speaks of either ring as "Emilie's ring" — both came from her family. Possibly they swapped rings from time to time as Adrien was growing up, depending on who was free to supervise him.
- More evidence piles on in "Optigami". It's confirmed that Sentimonsters can become Miraculous holders, as SentiNino acted the exact same way and transformed into Carapace just as the real Nino.
- The Turtle Miraculous applied perfect "quantum masking" to Senti-Carapace, or Ladybug and Rena Rouge would have noticed he looked different. One thing people have used to dispute the theory is that Nathalie can detect sentimonsters when they are close by (like Feast). But if quantum masking distorts all senses, she might detect Adrien as a sentimonster (a fact we can assume she already knows) but not detect him while he is transformed to Cat.
- In "Wishmaker", Adrien doesn't recall his childhood dream at all. When hit by Wishmaker, Adrien realizes his dream was to be exactly what his parents wanted him to be. Which sounds really appropriate for a Sentimonster, does it not?
- Some have claimed that since Uncanny Valley could see Adrien in the New York special, that he cannot be a sentimonster. She must see through something like a video camera; kwamis cannot be seen that way. But sentimonsters are different. In "Ladybug", Nadia Chamack showed video footage of Mayura fighting with Senti-Ladybug, who was fully visible.
- Well, I'm still in favor of this theory, and if you've seen Loveater/Heart Hunter, you might understand why I think that it could also be the case that (see next entry)...
- Alternatively, Emilie was never able to have children. Adrien was created as an infant not too long after the birth of Félix. Emilie, wearing her Amok-infused ring, couldn't help subconsciously comparing herself to her sister, causing Adrien to mimic Félix's appearance as the two of them grew up.
- In "Risk", after spending most of the season rubbing Emilie's ring when giving Adrien orders, Gabriel gives an order to Félix (disguised as Adrien) and, when Félix refuses, he reaches for the ring only to realize he's not wearing it, as he had just given it to Nathalie. Nathalie then gives Félix the exact same order and he immediately obeys, in the exact same resigned deadpan tone Adrien usually takes when obeying his father. Félix does have an eye for detail; did he notice that Nathalie had the ring and was playing along, or are both Adrien and Félix controlled by the same ring? Either way, the hints that the ring controls Adrien are too strong to deny at this point.
- In "Protection":
- In trying to fix up their children, Gabriel and Tomoe make it clear that they were "made for each other, exactly as planned."
- Gabriel tells Adrien to end his relationship with Marinette, again rubbing his ring (which is actually his; Félix had given it back at this point), and Adrien sadly cancels his planned date. When he complains about this to Nathalie, who is still wearing Emilie's ring, she tells him to ignore that order and all future outside orders regarding his love life, and Adrien puts the date back on — implying that both rings can control Adrien. When Gabriel figures out what happened, he confronts Nathalie about giving Adrien a "counter-order" and looks at her ring, and in defending Adrien, Nathalie lets slip that Gabriel has "power" over him.
- In "Emotion", Adrien doesn't tell Marinette about the Diamond Dance simply because Gabriel told him not to, and Gabriel still does the ring rubbing thing at the end of the episode. To say nothing of the fact that Félix, who has himself been hinted at being a sentimonster multiple times, poofs away everyone except four people (or so he thinks) in Paris, specifically for the sake of his, Adrien's, and Kagami's freedom, leaving Marinette (who probably isn't a sentimonster) only because Adrien loves her. He also calls the Red Moon sentimonster his "sister" and he he feels terrible about dismissing her.
- This is as outright confirmed as it's probably going to be for now in "Representation", given that it directly confirms that Félix is a sentimoster, after having already used peacock imagery for Emilie's pregnancy (after she'd had difficulty conceiving), and reveals that Gabriel was the one who gave Félix's father the Miraculous.
- I wrote this one based on a single line, and half as a joke. I actually didn't believe it going through season 4 episodes. And although I was wrong about my assumption that Mayura would poof her out of existence, the episodes "Protection" and "Emotion" actually appear to back up the general idea of Kagami being a sentimonster along with Adrien and Félix. Not confirmed as of time of writing, though.
- There is additional evidence in "Perfection". Gabriel got an angry reaction from Tomoe in when he used Kagami's ring as an akumatized object. "Why did you send a megakuma into my daughter's ring? You endangered her!" The same thing was done in "Riposte" and the object was even broken, unlike in "Perfection" where Kagami rejected the akuma. There is no reference to Tomoe being angry about that. The ring colors show the ring in "Riposte" was not the same one. The logo was red and the ring itself was black. If the silver one with a black logo is in fact Kagami's amok object (as the reaction by Félix in "Emotion" seems to indicate) then her mother's anger makes sense. Ladybug might have found a way to break the ring (or whatever it turned into) to release the akuma, but that would also release the amok and destroy Kagami.
- It's not technically confirmed in "Representation", but Félix does refer to Kagami as a girl who is "like him" after his own sentimonster status is confirmed.
- Jossed. The bodyguard is a former employee of Colt Fathom who was moved to Paris as part of the deal where Colt would temporarily receive the Peacock Miraculous.
In the episode Miraculer, Cat Noir gets cataclysmed, and his body's response (injured, weakened, seemingly in pain, not agro) is much closer to Monarch getting cataclysmed than any other sentimonster.
And ignoring the effects of the miraculous powers and just the human part, it also explains how a sentimonster can be allergic to pigeons.
This would also apply is a sentimonster looked like an animal, like a cat or a dog.
This would lead him to becoming Cat Blanc again, only with the akuma in his ring, there is no way to deakumatise him outside of him willingly giving up the power. Ladybug will promise to fill him in on everything if he gives up the akuma, and Hawk Moth will counter that if she was being honest from the start she wouldn't have to be asking now.
- In "Rocketear" we witness the reverse happening: Nino reveals himself (and Alya's secret identity) to Adrien. Adrien, however, does not mention that he's Cat Noir.
- The Stinger of "Revelation" reveals that Lila is planning to have the Butterfly Miraculous. Make of that what you will.
- Confirmed. In "Re-creation" Lila ends up stealing the Butterfly Miraculous from Gabriel's basement.