Villain Has A Point / Western Animation

• Arcane: Silco may resort to some horrifically extreme methods wanting to start war with Piltover, but he does have a point on how Piltover needlessly antagonizes and oppresses the people living underside. His insistence on violent resistance no matter the price in human bodies over accepting being the underclass is the question every revolutionary must answer in the affirmative. He even comes tantalizing close to achieving independence without open war through his ruthless means although without Jace on the council his actions would have likely led the underside to its grave.
  • Ambessa Medarda is a ruthless warmonger but she is clearly right that her daughter is naive to think that hextech weapons can be developed for deterrence without being used, and the events of the show prove her correct.
• Princess Azula can sometimes be a source of uncomfortable truths in Avatar: The Last Airbender. She tells Zuko at the start of Season 2 that he wouldn't have been sent on a Snipe Hunt in the first place if his father cared about him at all, let alone welcoming him back after he completely failed. She also tells the Dai Li that no matter what they do they are simply never going to be trusted by the earth king or his soldiers again. The moment she says that, the screen cuts to a rather sad looking agent acknowledging the obvious truth. They won't be trusted again, in part because a large number of their members simply aren't trustworthy, even if that doesn't apply to all of them.
  • In Season 3, she warns Zuko against visiting Iroh in prison since it can make him look suspcious. It's a rare moment where Azula actually appears to looking out for her brother.
  • While her paranoia in the Grand Finale was the result of Sanity Slippage, Azula has a point when she says she can’t trust that the Dai Li won’t turn on her, since they were so quick to turn on Long Feng and join her in the first place.
  • The introduction of Zhao back in Season 1. He quickly establishes himself as a Jerkass he belittles Zuko at every opportunity, saying Zuko has no chance of catching the Avatar before him due to Zhao's resources, while Zuko is just a banished prince. Zuko rebuttals that he will be allowed to return home when he captures the Avatar, to which Zhao points out if the Fire Lord wanted Zuko back he would have allowed him to return. The more the show goes on the more it's made clear that Zhao was right, even before Azula was sent to arrest Zuko.
  • Ozai technically isn't wrong when he tells his father that, with the death of Iroh's only son, Iroh's bloodline has ended and the throne will eventually have to default to either Ozai or one of his kids just by succession. That he brought this up immediately after news of Lu Ten's death reached them and before Iroh had even made it home to hold a funeral was less valid, and probably played a part in Azulon's outrage for it.
• Buddy Thunderstruck: According to Big Tex, "[he] gives people money so they can buy some fancy stuff. If [he] doesn't get the money back, [he takes] that fancy stuff, instead." If Big Tex is telling the whole truth, then his clients are overstaying their unpaid loans. Big Tex actually has the right to repossess the value of the loans if his clients do not pay in time, even if he relies on Robby Burgles' deceit, threats, and thievery. Other than "Big Tex's clients feel bad when they have their stuff repossessed," the only compelling reason the episode gave was Muncie claiming that Big Tex forced his "clients" into bad deals. Big Tex may be a Loan Shark, but we do not know what are his actual interest rates or payment periods.
• Castlevania (2017):
  • Alucard argues with his father Dracula over his plan to Kill All Humans because the Bishop executed his wife at the stake, pointing out he can't wipe out all humanity based on the actions of one person. While Alucard is certainly right, Dracula makes a damn good point when he points out that anyone could have stood up for Lisa, but chose not to do so. The show's main hero, Trevor, later echoes this exact same sentiment and, when told why Dracula is on the warpath, simply swears because he knows this trope is in effect.
  • Carmilla makes a good point against Dracula next, by pointing out that he could have taken better (or really any) steps to protect his somewhat naive wife and that starting an all-out genocidal war to avenge her makes no sense.
  • One of Dracula's monsters gives a Breaking Speech to the Bishop about how said execution ultimately led to their rampage, because no matter how much he insists she was a witch, it's clear that God Is Displeased with him.
• Codename: Kids Next Door:
  • In "Operation: F.O.U.N.T.A.I.N." the Delightful Children want to destroy the Fountain of Youth, claiming that if news of it spread, children would be tempted to use it to stay young forever. Well, their overall goal is far from noble, but they may have something. The Fountain's effect is temporary, and Leona has used it so much that her childhood has become something of an addictive drug that she can't shake. Even if it was not, the idea of eternal youth has downsides that they don't seem to consider.
  • They get another moment in "Operation: P.A.R.T.Y." after the teens throw a party in their mansion. They contact Sector V for help but they were fully willing to leave the normally villainous kids to their fate... up until they point out that, as KND operatives, it's their duty to protect kids from adult and teen tyranny, even if it includes their enemies. Sector V ends up conceding the point and agreeing to help them.
• Dan Vs.: When questioned why he'd want to steal Dan's identity, the Imposter explains that his offputting and angry demeanor has left him isolated, and genuinely seems to believe he'd be better off in life if he didn't have a Hair-Trigger Temper. While the Imposter is obviously in the wrong for identity theft, Dan would certainly be better off with a more level-headed demeanor.
• Dexter's Laboratory:
  • Rasslor, in his eponymous episode of Dial M For Monkey (a back-up segment focusing on a super-powered monkey) pointed out that Monkey had a lot of spirit and would not give up, which lead to Rasslor making a Hazy-Feel Turn. Sure, he was the villain of the episode.
  • Simion, a Villain of the Week monkey modelled on Planet of the Apes apes with a Charlton Heston voice had a point about humans experimenting on animals and also Apes in Space (the main focus of the issue) being cruel, oppressive and dangerous for the animals, even though he was the one who had been experimented on. He did have a very valid point that still rings true today, and this was in 1996 when animal rights activism was in the news, although before widespread Internet access was common.
  • In the episode "Comic Stripper", Mandark (who by this point was more of an annoyance/rival than a true threat) points out to Dexter that he had to learn moves from another comic and not "Mister Misery" as Dexter (in disguise) bought all the copies. His line at the end of the episode says it all:
  Mandark: Hm, well than, if you bought them all, how did you expect me to know all of Mister Misery’s new fight moves?!
• The Dragon Prince: Viren's plans might be extreme, but he is the only one of the human leaders in Book Two who acknowledges that hostilities with Xadia have already begun with the murder of the King of Katolis, and who attempts to undertake any action in response to this. However, season 3 ends up implying he's actually wrong, as Janai has no idea what humanity was planning or why they had a secret base in Xadia, questioning why Amaya was there. The assassination was done to appease the dying dragon queen, showing that the escalation of the conflict was as much the result of their own reactions as the elves and dragons fighting back.
• Elena of Avalor: Victor telling Esteban that he always has a choice, and how he did nothing when Shuriki banished him and his family from Avalor becomes very important in Season 3; all those years Esteban lied to his whole family and never told them that he let Shuriki in. Once Elena finds out the truth in the most visceral way possible, Esteban got what was coming for him. The fact that he didn't tell his family the truth sooner and that he refused to take his punishment with dignity proves Victor being right about how Esteban's choices were to his own benefit and no one else's.
• Gargoyles:
  • Xanatos is nothing if not pragmatic, so this trope is particularly evident when the heroes are... not so pragmatic. Most notably, in the middle of the "City of Stone" four-parter, when Goliath is about to attack Xanatos for helping Demona curse Manhattan, Xanatos asks Goliath "Do you want vengeance, or a solution?"
  • Demona is half-right about her constant assertions that Humans Are the Real Monsters; Hakon's vikings did destroy her first clan and Canmore her second. The other half that she refuses to consider is that she is also the real monster, as she was complicit in both events- proving that gargoyles can be just as bad and that Kill All Humans wouldn't solve her problems.
• In G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, Cobra Commander is a firm believer in the power of money and one of his more notable schemes involved causing all the paper money in the United States to turn to ash, and then taking advantage of the subsequent economic chaos to get everyone to invest in "Cobra Currency". He announces his plan using similar talking points to economists and libertarians arguing for America's return to the gold standard, calling out the federal government for "financial irresponsibility".
• In Glenn Martin, DDS, Russ Nero is entirely justified in his anger and hatred at Glenn for ruining his teeth. Due to reforming, he was willing to forgive Glenn for a shoddy patch job on a cracked tooth when Glenn left to see his son being born, but Glenn left the birth to see a movie due to being freaked out. The reveal that Glenn wasn't even there for most of the birth that he left Russ's teeth in bad shape for causes him to snap. Up until he fakes an injury to sue Glenn, even his revenge consists of following Glenn and shouting about what Glenn did to him. Glenn himself admits that since Russ asked for the tooth to be fixed right before his execution, Glenn disrespected the man's dying wish in the process.
• In Gravity Falls episode "Sock Opera", while it is a strategy to manipulate Dipper, Bill Cipher is not wrong when he points out to him that while he has regularly sacrificed and compromised his own needs and wants for Mabel, his twin has at best never really done anything to repay the favor and will at worst just continue to put her needs before his. Later on, when the triangle-shaped demon fights Mabel for the journal, he tells her that she had no problem abandoning her brother to obsess over her latest crush, not to mention taking one of his possessions without permission to use a prop in her puppet show. Unfortunately for him, Mabel realizes he's right, and resolves to stop him for her brother's sake, even if it means ruining her play.
  Bill: I mean, who would sacrifice everything they've worked for just for their dumb sibling?
  Mabel: ...Dipper would.
• Infinity Train: Reflection Police Officer Mace is trying to kill MT for not wanting to remain a reflection, but he does have a point that she has no real way off the train and that even if she does escape, she's a Denizen used to the fantastical environment of the Train and is probably going to have a tough time adjusting to the outside world.
• In the Grand Finale of Jackie Chan Adventures, Shendu's son Drago becomes powerful enough to conquer the Earth after he has absorbed the elemental chis of the Demon Sorcerers. Shendu demands Uncle to release him from his confinement, arguing that he's the only one who can stand a chance against his son. Uncle refuses to trust the villain who has a history of backstabbing and tries to find a way to depower Drago. He's eventually forced to admit it's beyond his skills and releases Shendu. As the two villains fight one other, the heroes are able to banish both of them to the Netherworld.
• The Legend of Korra: One of the recurring themes of the series, with Toph directly stating in the final season that every Big Bad started off with good ideas (equality, spirituality, freedom, unity) but went too far with them. Tenzin also tells Korra that she needs to learn things from her enemies.
  • The Equalists under Amon claim that benders in the United Republic of Nations are forcing non-benders to live as second class citizens. This belief carries some weight since the state is governed entirely by an unelected council that at the time was chaired solely by benders, the heavy hitters in the military and the police are mostly benders, the biggest sport in town is one that only benders can play, and benders apparently get more job opportunities (such as firebenders who power the generators with lightning) than non-benders. They attempt to get rid of this injustice through terrorism, armed revolution, and Amon using his mysterious power to permanently take people’s bending away. The unsuccessful Equalist Uprising does convince the United Republic to abolish its unelected council and hold elections for a democratic government, leading to the victory of the non-bender President Raiko and, according to Asami, a system in which non-benders also have a voice.
  • Unalaq is a tyrant who wants to unleash a Sealed Evil in a Can upon humanity and Take Over the World, but his goal of removing the barrier between the material world and the spirit world might not in itself be a bad thing. The dark spirit attack on the Southern Water Tribe's festival at the start of the season — and Unalaq's success in handling it did establish that there are problems resulting from humans falling out of touch with the spirits. After defeating him, Korra decides to leave the spirit portals open so that spirits can live among humans. While bringing back the spirits does cause some problems of coexistence in Republic City, it also results in some people around the world spontaneously developing airbending powers in Season 3, which enables Tenzin to rebuild the Air Nation. Admittedly, that also leads to Zaheer getting airbending and managing to break himself and his companions out of prison.
  • Despite his own selfish intentions in doing so, Varrick has a point about the right of the Southern Water Tribe to use military force to resist Unalaq and his Northern Water Tribe's takeover despite the refusal of other countries to get involved, and while his "Nuktuk" movers are hilariously propagandistic, they do a lot to create popular sympathy for the Southern Water Tribe in the United Republic. He crosses the line with his plan to steal Future Industries from Asami and stage a False Flag Attack against President Raiko to persuade the United Republic to join the war.
  • Season 3 gives us Earth Queen Hou-Ting, who conscripts all of the new airbenders in Ba Sing Se as her personal army against their wills. While this is shown to be nothing but despicable, both she and Commander Bumi point out that as their monarch and head of state she really can conscript any of them she pleases. The problem is she's having them abducted in secret, keeping them from contacting their families and loved ones, having them "trained" by a Drill Sergeant Nasty Dai Li agent (he basically just earthbends projectiles at them and forces them to try and deflect them and punished Kai when he kept another airbender from getting hit), and is treating them like slaves.
  • At one point, a group of bandits tries to steal tax money the Earth Queen demanded Korra deliver to her in exchange for helping find the new airbenders in Ba Sing Se. After she and Asami fight them and drive them off, one of them exclaims that she's on the wrong side, and the gold belongs to the people. Korra admits that she has a feeling that he's right, but still delivers the gold in the hopes the Earth Queen would uphold her end of the bargain, and calls the Earth Queen out when she doesn't.
  • The main villains of Season 3, the Red Lotus society and their leader Zaheer, want to remove all world leaders and replace them with anarchy in the name of freeing people from the tyranny of their governments. Considering some of the authority figures we've already seen — the warmongering Fire Lords who preceded Zuko and Izumi, the inept President Raiko of the United Republic, and the cruel, vindictive Earth Queen — even Korra can’t deny that Zaheer is correct in identifying the problem. However, the Red Lotus is willing to murder Korra and innocent people associated with her just because they stand in the way. Furthermore, the Red Lotus's assumption that people will become happy and free if they simply destroy the existing governments without replacing them with anything turns out to be hopelessly naïve. This is demonstrated in Season 4, which shows the Earth Kingdom has spent three years divided into many weak states which cannot protect their people from bandit attacks or guarantee the availability of food. This situation ends up creating the villain of the fourth season, Kuvira, who becomes a dictator as tyrannical as the Earth Queen was in her quest to reunite and rebuild the Earth Kingdom. Korra makes sure to point this out when she visits Zaheer in prison.
  • Zaheer is 100% right when he tells the Earth Queen that imprisoning Korra is idiotic because she’s flirting with causing an international incident. She and Raiko are the only world leaders to whom Korra doesn’t have a personal connection. Her dad, cousins, and Izumi could all send their armies in after her and Tenzin wouldn’t take it lightly either.
  • General Kuvira in Season 4 usurps the throne of the Earth Kingdom and instead crowns herself Emperor due to the heir apparent (Hou-Ting's bumbling nephew Wu) being an incapable leader who would essentially be a puppet installed by the other nations instead of a strong leader with enough authority to be able to push back against them. She also blames Suyin Beifong, her former mentor and surrogate mother for her complete refusal to stabilize the Earth Kingdom, not even with supplies, thus allowing the situation to get so bad. Having said that, Kuvira relies on Appeal to Force in all her negotiations, subjects her citizens to forced labor and reeducation camps, develops a superweapon to use against her enemies, and finally tries to conquer the diverse, democratic United Republic on the grounds that Avatar Aang and Fire Lord Zuko created it out of the Fire Nation colonies that were stolen from the Earth Kingdom in the first place (ignoring the fact that the then-Earth King approved this). Wu himself eventually agrees with Kuvira about the obsolescence of the traditional monarchy after she is defeated, and decides to reform the Earth Kingdom into a republic with elected leaders.
• In the original 1972 adaptation of The Lorax, the Once-ler tells the Lorax that if he shuts down production of the Thneed factories which are destroying the Truffula trees, it will put hundreds of workers and family members out of a job and be detrimental to the economy. Even the Lorax concedes that this would be too drastic a solution. Unfortunately, the Thneed production goes too far and the very last Truffula tree is cut down to make them, resulting in not only the permanent closing of the Once-ler's factory, but the complete destruction of a beautiful forest. And he deeply regrets this mistake.
• My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
  • During her Near-Villain Victory in the Season 2 finale, Queen Chrysalis indulges in some villainous gloating and points out that her plan could have easily been foiled earlier had the others actually listened to Twilight Sparkle's warnings that her brother's bride, Princess Cadance (who was all along captured and impersonated by Chrysalis herself) was evil instead of believing her to be just possessive of her brother and focusing in their wedding preparations. This prompts Applejack to apologize to Twilight on everyone's behalf.
    Twilight: It's not your fault. She fooled everypony!
  • In the Season 5 finale, although having ulterior motives of stopping Mane 6 from ever befriending one another, Starlight Glimmer does save past Fluttershy from the bullies and preaches to Twilight how in her utopian society of equality (which Twilight helped destroy earlier) Fluttershy wouldn't have been bullied in the first place. Twilight, while admitting that's not exactly a bad thing to strive for, quickly turns the tables back by pointing out the aforementioned ulterior motive.
  • Obvious motives aside, Principal Cinch from My Little Pony: Equestria Girls – Friendship Games is fairly justified in accusing the Wonderbolts team of cheating after witnessing Rainbow Dash "pony up", and also noting that Canterlot High's sudden (and unexpected) boost in academics and athletics coincided with the introduction of magic. However, her point is somewhat invalidated by the fact that the Rainbooms only used their powers to save the students and did not use them in the games whatsoever.
  • In the episode Once Upon A Zeppelin, Twilight accuses Iron Will (who's more a Designated Villain) of using underhanded business tactics and exploiting her fame for his own purposes without her consent. Iron Will points out that said business practices were outlined in the contract he offered Twilight's mother. It was Twilight Velvet who signed it without reading it through first. Offering the "free" vacation to Twilight Velvet instead of directly to Twilight (Sparkle) may have been a bit underhanded, but it wasn't his fault that she didn't tell her daughter about the fine print and he had every right in the world to expect them to uphold their end of the bargain after he delivered his half of the bargain.
• Phineas and Ferb: Phineas And Ferb Save Summer has L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. on the verge of bringing about a new ice age, part in thanks to Doofenshmirtz's -inator actually working. Not wanting any part in that, he rants to a fired Major Monogram on the streets, saying that while he knows this whole situation is his own fault, Monogram could have done something to prevent things from going so far instead of moping over the loss of his job. This is something he actually takes to heart and pushes him to free the O.W.C.A. agents.
• Protagonist or not, Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty will gleefully point out that he's always right, and barring very rare occurrences he always is. He also tends to be the source of very uncomfortable but very accurate truths, particularly when he delivers The Reason You Suck Speeches to people:
  Rick: [on Beth and Jerry] Sorry, please proceed with your story about banging my daughter in high school. I'm not sure you wanna take romantic advice from this guy, Morty. His marriage is hanging from a thread [...] Jerry, it's your house. Whatever you say it is how it is, but I think a blind man could see that Beth is looking for the door. I barely have a reason to care and even I noticed.
  Rick: [on Jerry] I took your family?! Who do you think had taken more from them when you shot 20 CCs of liquid dream-killer into my daughter? She was Rick's daughter, Jerry! She had options! That all ended because she felt sorry for you. You act like prey, but you are a predator! You use pity to lure in your victims! That's how you survive. I survive cause I know everything, that snake survives because children wander off, and you survive cause people think "Ooh! This poor piece of shit he never gets a break! I can't stand the deafening silent wails of his wilting soul. I guess I'll hire him or marry him."
  • Evil Morty, after ascending to become President in 'The Ricklantis Mixup' immediately purges various Ricks and Mortys from the Citadel. While the act of course is heinous, most of the Shadow Council of Ricks wanted to rule over Mortys as their Puppet King, looking down and discriminating upon any Rick or Morty beneath them (which even our own Rick doesn't do), and most of the Mortys shown in the episode proved to be jerkasses who love to profit off their suffering, President Morty's actions look more like Pet the Dog than Ax-Crazy due to the fact that many (not all) good Ricks and Mortys are spared by him, and the ones he did off he did so because they were a direct threat to him rather than For the Evulz.
  • Essentially everything he says after finally revealing himself to Rick and Morty. His belief that Ricks don't care about Mortys comes from the Citadel literally engineering Mortys via cloning and brainwashing to sell them as disposable sidekicks to Ricks. He also lays out how Ricks pretend to be underdogs when they're really Psychopathic Manchildren using the Central Finite Curve to isolate their realities, allowing themselves a corner of the multiverse where they're always the smartest man in the universe and can do whatever they want. Evil Morty's desire to just exist in a dimension free of Ricks is completely understandable, even if his methods aren't.
  • Evil Morty is unimpressed after Morty admits to feeling better after seeing Rick's tragic backstory firsthand. He says Ricks like being seen as the underdog despite their power and use their trauma to justify their abuse, then illustrates his point with images of countless Ricks abusing and killing their Mortys. When Rick says he can't be held responsible for everything his alternate counterparts do, Evil Morty just fires back that literally every Rick deflects accountability that way instead of trying to be a better person.
    Evil Morty: They literally all say that. They all have that excuse. It's all part of their system: None of them have to be responsible, they're all victims of themselves. "Oh, it's so hard to be a genius!" (Hand on his heart) Couldn't you just die?
• Robinson Sucroe: Grumbleston, the villain of the show, is the only person who knows that protagonist Robinson Sucroe is not truly living on a dangerous, deserted island (it's actually quite populated), and that all the stories Robinson writes for The New York Herald about his adventures are lies. He unsuccesfully tries to prove this throughout the series.
• School for Vampires: Vampire Hunter Polidori is presented as the villain of the story, but while the child vampires may be more or less harmless, there is no denying that adult vampires can be quite a threat to humans, not in the least since they hunt humans for blood.
• She-Ra and the Princesses of Power:
  • Hordak is a central antagonist but his anger over Shadow Weaver and Catra lying to him makes sense. Trust is an important trait in relationships and lies means the person can't be trusted.
  • Hordak’s military strategy is measured and restrained. In “The Price of Power”, he initially refuses to “squander” troops on a “wasteland” like the Crimson Waste, and only changes his mind when he recognizes an opportunity to exile Catra. In Season 4, he criticizes Catra for spreading troops too thin. It turns out that his military restraint was a smart course of action. Catra’s bold, unrelenting blitz won the Horde multiple victories in the short term, but by spreading troops too thin, her strategy meant that the Horde was left in shambles after one large-scale ambush. In addition, by pushing the troops too hard, she also drove several soldiers to defect, reducing their manpower and exacerbating the overextension problems.
  • Catra's anger at Shadow Weaver taking credit for her successful mission of capturing Glimmer, Bow, and the Sword of Protection is quite understandable, as Catra did all the work and planning. As such, when Hordak scolds Shadow Weaver for losing all three in the rescue, Catra's mocking smirk towards the dark wielder is karmic.
  • Catra was right to point out how wrong it was of Shadow Weaver to abuse her, an orphaned child who was in her care.
  • In Season 4, Shadow Weaver tells Glimmer that one thing she really needs to think about moving forward is what kind of queen she will be. But, Glimmer letting her emotion guide her judgment to the point of reckless decisions was not what Shadow Weaver meant, especially if it involves something even she has little knowledge of.
  • At the end of Season 4, Catra is on the receiving end of a "The Reason You Suck" Speech delivered by Double Trouble. While incredibly cruel, it's also entirely correct, as they systematically call out of of Catra's issues, summarizing that the main reason for her own unhappiness is her incessant need for power and tendency to push all her friends and loved ones away in pursuit of it.
• In Star vs. the Forces of Evil, Toffee has the goal of destroying all traces of magic within the multiverse and nearly accomplishes this at the start of Season 3, only being stopped by Star at the last second. While his reasoning for this was based mostly on his centuries-long burning hatred for Mewmans (and the royal family in particular), fast-forward to the end of Season 4 and Star coming to agree with him on the non-Fantastic Racism half of his argument: magic is such a dangerous and chaotic force that has been the source of so many issues throughout history that getting rid of it entirely may be the best way to stop the present conflict she's dealing with, as well as prevent any future conflicts from escalating in a similar manner. Of course, whether or not this was properly built up to is a major point of contention within the fandom.
  Star: I guess this means Toffee was right.
  Tapestry Toffee: SURPRISE!
• Total Drama: Scott points out to Zoey that she has very little chance of winning if she doesn't vote off Lightning at this point in the game, in order to convince her to keep him. Zoey declares that she'd rather go up against him than keep Scott, but at this moment, Lightning pulls off a major athletic move and high-fives a seagull, proving that Scott is actually right.
  "I hate it when Scott makes a point!"
• VeggieTales: The Mother Weed from Larry-Boy and the Rumor Weed is a sadistic Botanical Abomination who terrorizes Bumblyburg, beats Larry-Boy to a pulp, and damages Alfred's reputation so badly, that the citizens of Bumblyburg think he's getting his just desserts when the Mother Weed kidnaps him. But the Mother Weed is also completely right when she reminds Junior and Laura that they were the ones who came up with the idea of Alfred being a robot, and told her it, thus giving her everything she needed to grow more powerful and wreak havoc.