Dethroning Moment: American Dad!
Since American Dad! is more of a political-based cartoon, it's considered to be more acceptable for political beliefs to be found in Seth MacFarlane's second FOX cartoon. Still, this show's found to find some faults for viewers somewhere. Keep in mind:
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- darkrage6: "Failure Is Not A Factory-Installed Option" was the absolute low point of the series for me; it started out decent enough, but things went downhill as soon as Stan started going crazy over getting screwed over by a car salesman. As a result of Stan going crazy, he's unable to work, so the family ends up in dire financial straits and Hayley goes into prostitution in order to help pay the bills. Then it went From Bad to Worse after Stan beats the salesman at his own game by making him feel sorry for him and his family; he then reveals that the whole "going crazy" thing was all an elaborate plot so he could get a better deal on a car. Let that sink in for a moment, Stan deliberately put the whole family through hell all so he could save money on a fucking car! I know Stan is selfish, but come on! That's the type of Jerkass stunt I'd expect Peter to pull on Family Guy, it didn't feel in character for Stan to be that neglectful and uncaring to his own family. If Stan at least got the shit beaten out of him, it would've lessened the blow somewhat. Instead, he completely gets away with it at the end and shows no remorse for putting the family through hell for something incredibly insignificant. He doesn't even acknowledge them or their feelings, he just feels good about himself for beating the salesman! Also, this episode continues the incredibly lame and pointless storyline of Roger's golden turd.
- Luna87: "The Magnificent Steven" was the point where the show started to suck for me. The main plot I could take or leave, but the subplot is what really pissed me off. So Hayley helps Roger with something (I can't remember what), and, as a result, Roger begins complimenting her more, making Francine jealous. This leads to Hayley and Francine competing for Roger's attention, to the point that they actually get into a physical altercation. It turns out that Roger wanted them to fight so that he could film it and upload it to a website featuring mother/daughter cat fights. And the worst thing about it is that Roger, as usual, gets off scot-free; that sub-plot just ends with him telling the two women "Oh, by the way, I'm the prettiest one in the house." I think Brian might have some competition for biggest Jerk Sue on a Seth MacFarlane show (and even that, I hear, is starting to turn around).
- Archduke Cthulhu: "Vacation Goo". The episode started out alright, with Francine's Tear Jerker moments of wanting a closer family but the suckiness came in when they fall overboard and land on an island full of hunters. Held up for days with the stewardess/girl of the week for Steve, she dies... and they eat her corpse. It goes on for so damn long the little humor that it had goes down the drain. Jesus, that was an ordeal. Oh and it turns out the hunters weren't after them, it was part of the theme park's attraction.
- Kadothe Chameleos: For me, one of the biggest dethroning moments of any episode was the ending of the episode "The One That Got Away" where one of Roger's personas takes on a life of its own, in the form of Sydney Huffman. He ends the episode by saving Sydney's girlfriend from the hitman, and then trying to ditch her. However, he then has a change of heart, and asks her to dinner. This was so delightful, and I thought it was perfectly charming, a real insight into Roger's heart. However, Roger then tells her "I have no genitals" which wouldn't have been too bad if it wasn't for the fact his girlfriend then replies "That's okay. I have both." For me, this just ruined the whole episode. The fact they suddenly reveal "Oh by the way, she's transgender!" as the final line of the show. I'm not saying anything bad about transgender people, I just think the fact they threw this in as a joke ruins the whole thing about seeing into Roger's heart for once.
- biznizz: That the girlfriend may have been transgender could be the joke, there could be an alternative: that she's an intersex/hermaphroditic person (having male & female genitalia naturally). Whether or not that makes it better is up to the viewer.
- Lord Crayak: Of course, she was portrayed as incredibly stupid, and could have just misunderstood "genitalia".
- azul120: For me, it was the end of "Escape from Pearl Bailey". After a case of Misplaced Retribution for Debbie's failed bid for the presidency ends up with the student body of Jerk Jocks and Alpha Bitches on Steve's trail, even after he explained it was a misunderstanding, he and his friends, who were responsible for the act in the first place, ultimately get beat up at the end of the episode, itself a case of Disproportionate Retribution and a case of them being Karma Houdinis for not being any better in the first place.
- Video Game Crack: My ultimate DMOS would be the episode "Pulling Double Booty", in which we learn that Hayley can't take it if somebody dumps her (even though she does it herself all the time with her friend) and thinks she is therefore allowed to commit violent acts against everyone in sight. Later, it turns out that she only did so because Stan never told her he loved her - and here it gets funny. Close to the end, Stan tells Hayley that while acting as his body double who she has a relationship with (long, irrelevant story) and then dumps her. She's cool with it then. However, when she figures out that it was her dad all the time, she proceeds to burn down a forest. Even though Stan tells her that he loves her - twice, once while being himself - and the body double couldn't have possibly broken up with her. So, did she now have a reason to do it or did the writers just want to showcase what would be a better way to get rid of trees than turning them into paper and giving that to them so they could write this dreck?
- Onlythrice: In addition, it shows what a hypocrite she is. Throughout the entire series, she preaches about saving trees and not objectifying women and other stereotypical hippie things. But at the same time, she's been shown to be a slut who will burn down a forest for no reason. Pretty much everything she's ever said was shown to be bullcrap by this one episode.
- Wildstar93: For me, it was "Daddy Queerest". I hate how Terry made the whole mess happen in the first place. He WAS gonna tell his dad the truth about his homosexuality, but instead of doing so, he lies to his dad because he didn't have the guts to say so! Anyways, when a drunken Stan (accidentally) tells the truth, he asks Terry's dad to accept him for who he is. And what does Terry do when his dad refuses? Does he act disappointed but thank Stan anyways? No! He yells at Stan for causing the whole mess in the first place!!! It was him who caused it in the first place! Even though Francine calls him out on it, I won't watch this episode ever again.
- Tropers/Psi001: What punctuates this is that Francine and Greg were trying to tell Terry's dad the whole time. Suddenly when Stan finally does it, it becomes automatically wrong (yeah, in the most blunt and inappropriate manner possible, but it's not like subtlety would change the fact Tank was a homophobic Jerkass) and when the results don't turn out how they intended both Francine and Greg are quick to blame Stan for the whole thing (yeah Francine backtracks, but more on a "he doesn't know any better" argument than actually acknowledging the hypocrisy of the matter). The whole plot seemed contrived to follow the "Stan is always wrong" formula, all seemingly for the sake of a Call Back to him rightfully disapproving of Francine's stupid public behaviour.
- mysticfire: My DMOS would have to be "Great Space Roaster." I feel like I should explain the episode. It starts out innocently enough with Bullock out of the blue announcing that a CIA family will go to space to study Chia Pets for a year. At the same time, Roger announces his displeasure at the Smiths' plan to give him a bowling birthday party for his 1601st birthday (which in this troper's opinion is actually a rather fun way to spend a birthday). They ask him what he wants, and he says he wants a roast, "like all the greats." That's right, he means a roast as in where everyone gathers around to poke fun at the recipient. They ask him at least twice if he's okay with this, and he says it is what he wants. The family then proceeds to give him an admittedly funny roast, and Roger (who has been wearing sunglasses the whole time) reveals that he was crying, feels insulted, and leaves in a huff. Then, in a Roger way, he pretends to turn it all around because of their comments, with the Smiths being understandably suspicious of his true intentions. He then spends the remainder of the episode trying to kill the Smiths because his feelings were hurt, and the family actually feels bad for him. Again, he ASKED for this roast. After a couple of failed attempts to murder them, the Smiths become the family to be sent into space. Long story short, Roger follows them there, hunts them down, and then forces them to roast each other so they would "feel his pain" or something. Then the Smiths are laughing at each other and they're all "Roger was hurt because he feels like we don't love him" or something equally stupid. Conclusion: Roger is once again a despicable Karma Houdini and we are forced to watch this drivel over Roger's reaction for, once again, something that he asked for.
- Whizzer Mckwoff: "Roy Rogers Mcfreely" had one. There's this guy they're hearing on the radio who is black, and Stan is apparently shocked to find that out. Despite being with several people, he only asks one of the neighbors he's with about it, saying, "Did you expect him to be...?" and points to his face, to which the neighbor says no, and Stan admits he didn't either. What? That's not funny, that's racist! If this was from the writers of Family Guy, it would have been a Bait and Switch moment where Stan would say something like, "Yeah, I didn't expect him to have that shape of face either."
- Dimension Walker: For me, it was "Shallow Vows". Basically, the episode is about Francine getting ugly, and Stan not liking the way she looks now (which contradicts why they loved each other in previous episodes). He revealed that the only reason he married her was because of her looks. So Fran goes away for about two weeks and lets herself go, much to the disappointment of Stan. Stan tries everything to love her, including getting his retinas removed so he won't have to see her. At first, Francine is (understandably) displeased, but then she finds that Stan is a better lover when he's blind. Here comes the real DMOS: Stan tells Francine that she will have to take care of him, which upsets her, since she doesn't want to be a caretaker (after all, she has kids). Then she "realizes" that she is just as shallow as Stan is. So the moral was, it doesn't matter if two people love each other for the wrong reasons, as long as it works. Huh?
- howdoilogin: For me, it was the episode "Don't Look a Smith Horse in the Mouth" where Stan bets fifty grand on a horse race to keep his car. While that's not a good reason, at least it was an actual reason. Francine is allowed to be totally angry about it. But in an earlier episode, she did the exact same thing. She bet fifty grand (and lost it) at a casino. Yet she is treated with complete sympathy, while when Stan does it, he's an awful person. In addition, she was betting it for the thrill. That's some pretty awful Double Standard, American Dad writers!
- fluffything: For me, it was the episode "The Return of the Bling" where Stan finds out Roger was on the US Hockey Team in the 1980s (the one that won the Olympics) only to find out that Roger used steroids to win, and Stan decides to return the medal to the Olympics committee. It started out decent enough with Stan deciding the right thing to do is to return the medal and reveal the US team had technically cheated and Stan dealing with the realization his heroes aren't what he expected. But, then, for no reason, it suddenly turns into a Lord of the Rings parody with Roger as Gollum. Seriously, it's one of the most jarring shifts I've ever seen in any cartoon series. Just... why? Why do you need to do a parody that has nothing to do with the episode's subject matter?
- Kevin W: No, the worst part about that episode is the fact that at the end, Roger bites off Stan's finger for no good reason other than the fact that it happened in the movie. And the episode just ends there. He bites off Stan's finger and it ends. Good Lord, the amount of ridiculous shit Roger does and gets away with could fill a page on its own.
- SylverLining: Pretty much the entirety of the episode "Bully for Steve". In order to teach him to stand up to bullies, Stan spends the entire episode beating the crap out of him in such a way that should have had him locked up for child abuse, assault, battery, and any number of other actual crimes, and absolutely deserve it. Physically abused Tropers agree - Dude, Not Funny!
- MasterGeese: And that's not all. Stan's whole attempt at bullying is done to try and goad Steve into fighting back. Francine, on the opposite side, says Steve is fine just the way he is and doesn't need to change, as well as that violence isn't the answer. When Francine finds out that Stan is the one bullying Steve, and not some random schmuck off the street, there's a wacky chase scene, and afterwards, she throws her old mindset out the window and decides that Steve should learn to kick Stan's ass. Oh, and earlier Steve tried to calmly talk down Stan the bully, only for Stan to randomly attack him again while doing so. This episode is trying in every way possible to convince people that the best way to get rid of a bully is to fight them! Definitely not something you want to teach kids (who granted shouldn't be watching this show anyways, but still)
- AntMan: For me, this was a DMOS for a totally different reason. I thought that while Stan's methods were terrible, to say the least, his motives were perfectly justified. Would anyone reading this want their kid to be bullied and pushed around his whole life? Yes, Stan's solution was terrible, but in case you've forgotten, Stan never exactly had an example to follow when it comes to fathering. But then Francine went off on that "he's fine the way he is" bullcrap rant. Apparently, she loves having a son who can't stand up for himself.
- WhizzerMckwoff: "Rapture's Delight": The unicorn scene. Not even the worst Family Guy joke could be more of a turnoff than that abomination of a scene was.
- Animeking1108: While Steve not getting the girl is a very common running gag, it was done rather cruelly in the Halloween episode "Best Little Horror House in Langley Falls". Basically, Steve takes Toshi's sister, Akiko, out Trick-or-treating, but under a curfew. After spending some time building up to a potential relationship, and even talking Toshi out of being so over protective, you'd think Steve would finally get this one, right? Wrong. Why, you may ask? Because Akiko went for a random nine year-old kid who didn't appear until the end with no foreshadowing what-so-ever. I mean, I know Steve not getting the girl happens all the time, but at least the reasons were explainable and foreshadowed. This time, the writers just wanted to see Steve miserable.
- Couldn't agree more. I mean, some Foreshadowing would have at least been nice. The guy stands up for her and gets her some more freedom from Toshi and she ignores that in favor of a kid, who can dance. I mean, the kid's got moves, don't get me wrong, but a quick 3 second moment earlier in the story, Akiko mentioning him at least once beforehand, something! The guy getting the rug pulled out from under him is a regular occurrence but this just seemed really uncalled for. - blitz2441
- Regu14: I usually find this show hilarious, but in the episode "Gorillas in the Mist" there is one moment that made me cringe. The police run over a dog, just to emphasize how little care they have for some foster children. Instead of just hitting the dog and sending it flying or hitting it off screen, which would have been fine but in bad taste, it has to be cut in half with blood stains all over the ground! It was so freaking disgusting and awful I had to take a minute before watching the rest of the episode.
- Silvermoon424: I agree 100%. As an avid animal lover with a dog who I've had most of my life and who I love very much, this was so disturbing. I was in total shock when I first saw this scene and I've made a point to avoid seeing it ever again. I'm a huge fan of the series and it never fails to make me laugh, but this scene was so utterly out of place and sickening I was wondering just what the hell was going through the writers' heads when they wrote it. There's black comedy and then there's crossing the line.
- Ecclytennysmithylove: Let's not forget that this episode also marks the second appearance of Terry Bate's father, Tank, who, unfortunately, still couldn't accept the fact that he has a gay son, which is obviously a Call Back to the DMOS season 4 episode "Daddy Queerest".
- Whizzer Mckwoff: "White Rice". The episode begins surprisingly strongly. It involves Stan and Francine getting into an argument that results in him taking her to a therapist. Only it's not a therapist, it's a hypnotist he's been taking her to for 19 years! He gets the hypnotist to brainwash her of everything she wants that bothers him, and they go home, as if nothing had happened. Seriously, that's a hilarious storyline! But what happens next? Well, a year later, they go for their annual visit, but the hypnotist causes Francine to wake up and remember everything Stan told him to make her forget just because Stan didn't get him a sandwhich. OK, so the rest of the episode is Francine discovering something she'd been hypnotized to forget, her leaving Stan and him being all apologetic, and it ends with...them discussing the issue originally brought up and Stan finding out it wasn't a big deal. Just...what?! What the hell happened to the hypnotizing storyline? If this was Family Guy, it would have ended with Francine being rehypnotized, and Stan continually taking her there. It was such a good storyline, but they had to end it without a good old Status Quo Is Good moment. Just...why?
- Spider Fan 14: The end of "A Ward Show" was god awful. Mad at the water park for not refunding their tickets, they plan to have sex in the super fast water slide. When Stan can't slow down, he collides into Francine and leads to a burst of blood. I do not under any circumstances want to know who found that funny when they wrote that in, that is just disgusting. Last American Dad I'll ever see.
- Bananaman: For me, it was the episode "Virtual In-Stanity" where Stan wants to spend more time with Steve, so he gets a robotic android girl to befriend him (long story) and decides the only way to spend more time with him is to have sex with him. It just creeped me out, made worse by the fact that everyone was ok with Stan trying to molest his son, but in the ending, Steve doesn't get the girl (there was a 2nd girl, who was not Stan, and liked Steve for Steve). What the hell! You give use a new likable character, and you make so we'll never see her again. Why?!
- Ometta6: Because fuck Steve, that's why.
- Tropers/Technomaru: Hey Bananaman, you're not alone, look what I did! http://technomaru.deviantart.com/art/American-Dad-Demotivational-349696941
- K Oman: While Stan deciding to have sex with Steve was disturbing, I feel the need to point out two things. First, nobody was initially aware of it except Bullock, and it really didn't concern him. When Francine finds out, she gets a Humongous Mecha to fight off the android. Second, this is the only case of Steve not getting the girl that I find justifiable. Despite the 2nd girl, Chelsea, sharing many similar interests with Steve, he turns her down when Stan's android Phyllis offers sex. When Stan is convinced not to, he nicely turns Steve down with Phyllis. Steve then came back to Chelsea, but she simply wasn't desperate enough to be a backup date. So while I feel sorry for Steve at the end, this is the one time his misfortune with girls made sense.
- KOman: "The Scarlet Getter" was one of Stan's worst episodes. Scarlett Reynolds, Stan's crush from CIA camp, arrives at Langley Falls as an alien hunter. Seeing her brings back all the affection Stan had for her... in the worst way possible. He brutally insults Roger for even considering dating Scarlett, openly fawns over her to his wife Francine with no concern about her feelings, and makes it clear that he'd love to get rid of Francine (even hinting that he wants her to die) so he can be single again. Francine and Roger get back at him by having Roger use a handsome persona to start a relationship with Scarlett, leaving Stan to accept that she's taken and go back to his wife. Instead, he complains about being stuck with Francine again and attempts to sabotage Roger's date by spewing embarrassing lies about him. When this fails, he wants to lock Roger in the attic, and when Roger rightfully defies him, he alerts another alien hunter to Roger's presence. He set up Roger to get killed just so he could maintain his possessive crush on Scarlett. Ultimately, it turns out that Scarlett was aware that Roger was an alien and dissected him the night they were supposed to have sex. Wanting to keep Roger's body for herself, she gets ready to kill Stan. We're supposed to feel sorry for him when Scarlett admits that she's never given a shit about Stan, but after his borderline Yandere behavior throughout the episode, it feels like richly deserved karmic retribution.
- Brainiac0982: A "gag" from the Christmas episode, "Season's Beatings", has Roger making some eggnog. Roger tests the eggnog by pulling out a cage with two rats. He gives some of the eggnog to one of the rats, which then bites the head off the second rat, makes out with it, wears the dead rat head like a hat, runs around the cage a few times, vomits several times its body weight in blood, and then it explodes. That is the most grotesque image I've ever seen on television, and a sign that the writers are being disgusting just for either shock value or an unfunny gag.
- fruitstripegum: Not to mention, rodents are incapable of vomiting.
- Mosquito Man: In "The Unbrave One", while a valid point, the Character Tract (or Author Tract) against the praise for the guy who landed the plane on the Hudson River was poorly done. I mean, it's not hard at all to think that this is just what Seth MacFarlane (or whoever wrote the script) wishes he wants to say to that guy if they met. It's forced, too much of a tract, and doesn't really add anything to the episode. A lot of jokes don't add either, but at least they were jokes, not thinly veiled rants.
- Anonymous In the latest episode "Dr Klaustus", there's a scene where Stan and Francine find out Steve is pretending that Greg and Terry are his actual parents to avoid embarrassment, and Francine's reaction is to resort to calling Steve, her own son: "A four eyed bastard", and to add insult to injury, says she knew she should've aborted him! Okay, time out, one of the reasons why I like American Dad is because it's closer to the first three seasons of Family Guy, the characters despite being dysfunctional are lovable, and they have feelings, but I see the show suffering from minor flanderization; Roger has already turned into an extreme jerk (to an extent, I don't mind), but the family are picking on Klaus for no reason (especially in this episode), and Francine said something as bad as what Lois (of the new FG episodes) would've said; this is the same character who went to the lengths of breaking up her "four eyed bastard" son from his girlfriend, because she herself missed spending time with him and cared about him. Come on, please don't do this to American Dad, one of the reasons why FG has suffered was due to flanderization, please don't do this to the one good Seth MacFarlane show left! To add insult to injury, Francine in the same episode calls Stan out because he called her out on stealing, and calls him a "pre-eating douchebag"... stop derailing Francine, damn it!
- K Oman: This episode was frustrating to watch. The underlying concept, aside from all the offensive secrets the family was hiding, was that none of them could take Klaus seriously simply because he's a fish. The only way to fix the conflict was for Roger to say everything Klaus had been saying for most of the episode.
- Takukia This Troper would have to say "Stan's Best Friend". The episode starts out rather okay, but what comes is rather disturbing... After Steve is denied to own a dog from Stan (as he had a traumatic experience as a child with his own dog), Francine goes and gets him one anyway. Stan warms up to the dog, whom is named Kisses by Steve, and Stan is happy about dogs again. Then Kisses gets into an accident by a hot air balloon with cats dressed as pirates. Desperate to save Kisses who at this point is on life-support with the vet saying he's not going to make it, Stan does a lot of research and discovers a doctor who saves animals others have given up on. Stan steals Kisses from the vet, and makes it to the doctor. The doctor operates on Kisses, and says he made it through the operation. The results were... less than pleasant. As a dog lover, I honestly felt sick at seeing the results and turned off the episode. I usually love American Dad, but this episode crossed the line for me.
- Riceball22: This troper is sooooo glad that someone agrees with her. I usually don't mind American Dad but I had a hard time sleeping after this episode. What's more, they made the dog out to be the cutest dog ever before it got into that accident, as if the writers were simply giving the viewers the middle finger by the end.
- Slo Motion: I'm totally with you guys on this one. This episode wasn't just unfunny, it was just... morbid. I normally love AD but this episode just rubbed me the wrong day because it's just not ever funny or entertaining to watch an animal suffer like poor Kisses did. It would have been a little better if Kisses had been really nasty to the Smiths or something and therefore had it coming, but he was so loveable and sweet that watching him die slowly and suffer just crossed the line for me.
- K Oman: I am able to accept what you guys called the DMOS because this episode was specifically aiming to be a Tear Jerker. What I would consider a DMOS is Roger's behavior. He is against getting a pet simply because he can't stand the thought of something else taking the family's attention from him. When Klaus asks if he could be considered a pet, Roger replies that he can't be a pet because nobody loves him, bringing Klaus to tears. When Kisses is crushed by a hot air balloon full of pirate cats (who, as another DMOS, never get any comeuppance) and the Smiths are horrified to see Kisses on life support, Roger is barely hiding laughter. When Stan brings home the new Kisses, Roger laughs again and says the dog can stay if it's like that, despite it traumatizing Francine and Steve. There is no justification for Roger's attitude in this episode beyond him being a self-centered, sadistic asshole, and it really made me want to see Roger suffer the same fate.
- Riceball22: This troper is sooooo glad that someone agrees with her. I usually don't mind American Dad but I had a hard time sleeping after this episode. What's more, they made the dog out to be the cutest dog ever before it got into that accident, as if the writers were simply giving the viewers the middle finger by the end.
- Halfstep The episode "Less Money, Mo Problems". Honestly, IMO, most of MacFarlane's points are made by over-exaggerating the stupidity of the opposing side and/or attributing things to them that they don't actually believe: that is to say, they're poorly made. However, this episode marked the end of me even viewing anything MacFarlane related in passing. In short, after Jeff uses up all of the things that Stan paid for, Stan, Jeff, and Haley get in an argument, wherein a bet is made that if Stan and Francine can live on minimum wage for a month, then Jeff and Haley will leave, however if they cannot, then Jeff and Haley get to stay with Stan and Fran indefinitely. The bet proper ends after two days, when they are flat broke, and Francine calls it quits and goes home. The episode drags on for another 15 minutes, with the typical blundering by Stan, until he is forced to break into his own house, looking like a bum, and is almost stabbed by Jeff, who, BTW, is eating a sandwich that Stan basically paid for. Where to freaking begin with this: this troper has in fact lived on minimum wage, by himself, paid rent, went to work, brought food, clothes, paid utilities. Let me say now, it is not fun - you buy the lowest quality food, there are nights when your stomach growls, you have to walk a lot of places, the apartments you can get on minimum wage aren't the greatest. I wouldn't advise that anyone make it a career goal in life. But it can be done. Once again, I'm not saying it's great, and indeed, am on the side of the argument that is for stopping runaway inflation to make dollars stretch farther (something that was never even suggested in the episode). However, as far as being an aesop against the low minimum wage, it fails miserably. The moral of this episode isn't "it's impossible to live on minimum wage, so we need to raise it so the poor can climb the ladder easier," it's "it's impossible to live on minimum wage if you're Stan Smith, who is stupid enough to blow a third of his monthly income on an apartment, a third of it on a car, the remainder of it on frivolous stuff, and not even have the common sense to at least try to go to a work-today/paid-today place (those places aren't great either, but when you gotta do what you gotta do...) to get extra money." On top of that, even if you consider that Stan was a complete idiot in the latter half of the episode, he was 100% right at the beginning: his wife (who consents to being a non-working housewife) and Steve are entitled to use the stuff he works for, being a housewife and minor. Jeff and Haley are adults, and quite honestly, he's doing them a big solid by allowing them to stay there in the first place (I am aware of the episode "There Will Be Bad Blood", and why he is allowing them to stay there). That said, the idea that Stan could be wrong simply because he asks Jeff to not use inordinate amounts of supplies that Jeff is not working for, or paying for in any way... it could only happen in a MacFarlane cartoon.
- ashleybud: There is so much more wrong with that episode that it is baffling, though the writers seems to have realized this because it was addressed in the recent episode. I’m also aware of why he let them back in but Hayley and Jeff stole Stan's life saving and pissed it all away so he is basically working paycheck to paycheck now. Plus eating all of his food wasn’t the only thing Jeff was doing; he comes in 3 in the morning blasting the TV keeping Stan up, so not only is he struggling to pay the bills, he’s dead tired. What really pissed me off about the episode is that it has already been firmly established that Stan knows very well how hard it is to survive on minimal wage. His father abandoned him and his mother as a child and his mother blatantly told him it was his fault and forced him to do all the things she should have done. Paying the bills, doing the taxes, fixing the house, etc. In "A.T. the Abusive Terrestrial", they even showed that when Hayley was a baby Stan and Francine collected cans for extra money. Stan knows how hard it is; in fact, it is his most defining characteristic. The stress of taking care of his mother caused him to grind his teeth and develop horrible acne, which in turn caused to be ridiculed at school. This is why he so obsessed with appearance, popularity, perfection, and his aggressive personality. He’s such a devote republican because his dad told him some bulls**t lie about a spy. His mother was so narcissistically focused on herself that she never even bothered to teach him about sex. He learned about it from some random stranger which is why he is so repressed. Unlike Peter, Stan had a very good Freudian Excuse and to try and make a point the writers ruined it. Finally, Hayley is the last person to be speaking on the hardship of minimum wage. Neither she nor Jeff have ever worked a day in their lives, Stan has always paid for every facet of her life. And once again she stole his life saving and spent it in a month.
- Psi001: Did we mention that Jeff, usually a dumb but fairly likeable, was transformed into an inconsiderate Rightly Self-Righteous asswipe for this one episode just to make the Aesop completely and utterly insufferable? Seriously we're used to Hayley smugly getting the universe falling in her favor all the time, but now they skew any of Stan's foes into a Jerk Ass just so you can't root for them while he gets his supposed comeuppance.
- Tropers/Jubbz: Okay. Sooooo... in the episode "Naked To the Limit, One More Time..." the episode ended up going down a path that led to a potential tear jerker for Roger, and I don't even like him at all since he's such a Karma Houdini. So Roger has to go home to his home planet because Jeff figured out that Roger's an Alien and Jeff is a blabbermouth, so someone had to go. Roger volunteers to go to his home planet, and when the alien ship comes to pick Roger up, he takes the opportunity to toss Jeff into the beam of light, and that automatically solves the initial problem of the family secret (housing an alien). I don't care for Jeff much, but seeing Roger screw him over so blatantly, and leaving Haley as an emotional wreck really pissed me off. At this point, I know it's just a pipe dream, but I hope Roger beaten beyond belief, and expel all of that bitchy bile he's got stored.
- ThomasVeggieDramaFan: Steve's actions in "News Glance with Genevieve Vavance" where he goes along with Roger's bogus news story by selling out Hayley for kidnapping him which was something she didn't even do in order go get head with a bunch of girls from his school who were missing him. Even though his fesses up to his actions later and calls Roger out for being the mastermind, the fact that he would do that to his own sister for his own selfish sexual needs in the first place is the point of no return for that four-eyed bastard! He now officially joins his father and Roger as the show's worst characters.
- Roger's behavior in The Longest Distance Relationship is just terrible. First he screwed over Jeff and made it so he can never be with the love of his life ever! Then he kills Haley's new love interest! Why do they even put up with him? I would have killed him by now, Freudian Excuse be damned!
- Kaiserpluto: We finally get a rather large one from Greg and Terry. Yes, the Roger things with the kid and such but that's something we expect from him. But Terry was willing to kill Roger (who he thought was a kid) just to avoid Greg knowing he likes Ho-ho and when he called Greg to tell his version of events Greg just responded to not sweating it as the kid didn't fit in. That right there is messed up.
- Hailfire25: not to mention treating the kid as if he was furniture.
- Mineburst: "Blonde Ambition" had a good enough moral, but despite its Downer Ending, my biggest problem is the episode's beginning. In the same spot Hayley was standing and didn't get a single signature, a blonde girl got hundreds of signatures despite working for a stupid cause (stopping animals from attacking hunters). But people pay attention to her just for being a blonde! If that wasn't bad enough, two assholes at a bar yell at her because she was about to drink Francine's glass (need to remind them that Francine isn't even an actual blonde), and admit they don't care about upsetting her! Geez, this is something I'd expect from modern Family Guy!