Clearly you only watched the first season.
@Drake Clawfang Yeah, I didn't.
Don't just assume things like that please, thanks. :)
Keep fighting the good fight, son.
I assumed so because your complaints are only valid in the context of the first season, which did indeed feature cliched plots and morals, flat characters, and childish humor.
As the show has progressed, the characters have become much more developed; Twilight has gotten over her introverted tendencies and become more open, Rainbow Dash has embraced more girly and/or nerdy hobbies and become less of a show-off, Fluttershy has become more confident and assertive, etc. The plotlines are also much less recycled, and while the morals they convey are often done before, show me a moral message that hasn't been hammered in by previous works.
The humor I won't argue for, humor is very subjective and you either like it or you don't. However, IMO it too, has gotten stronger.
Is it just a kid's show? Yes, even into Season 5 with the brony fandom well established, it remains child-friendly and focused. But it's a great kids show, IMO up there with Avatar or Beast Wars, though the latter is in a slightly higher age bracket for its violence. For your review to say "it's just a shitty kids show, adults are strange for liking it" is inflammatory and ignorant. Just because it doesn't have anything for you doesn't mean there's nothing there at all. You just don't see the value in it others do.
@Drake Clawfang In my opinion, what you're making of the first season lasted the rest of the series...just being honest here man.
And I don't think bronies are wrong for liking it, I just find it strange. A lot of bronies know they're weird, so it's not that big of a deal. Weird =/= Bad. My point is that MLP is pretty cliche and predictable cuz' it's aimed towards kids, and that older people can find the flaws in it. That's why it's better as a little kid's show, and not equal to better cartoons like Avatar or Teen Titans Go.
Yes, Teen Titans GO.
@Bastard1 Thanks? :D
You can't compare Friendship is Magic to Avatar or Teen Titans Go. Friendship is Magic is rated TV-Y. It's created for preschoolers. Avatar: The Last Airbender is rated TV-Y7 as in mid-elementary school and Teen Titans Go! is rated TV-PG, even higher than the other two.
Season 1 Fi M? Sure.
Seasons 2-5? Nope.
Seriously, go watch The Cutie Map, Tanks For The Memories or Castle Sweet Castle, and you'll see why we Bronies love this show.
Or you could base your entire opinion on the first season, which doesn't reflect the shows overall quality.
No, it's not the holy grail of animation, but it's still a stellar example of what animation can be in general if you put some fucking effort in. That is why modern Spongebob, Simpsons and Family Guy are dropping in quality.
Just give the show another chance before you start comparing it to Nick Jr.
Yeah, this is nothing like Avatar. At all.
I mean, they're both animated I guess, but aside from that there's no comparison to make.
@lexicon @Mr Mallard I didn't compare them, I only said that because Drake Clawfang said MLP was "up there with Avatar or Beast Wars."
@Hclegend Bro, I watched it, I'm telling you, it's just like a Nick Jr. show. Even for a kid's show, it doesn't seem to have much effort put in.
Yes I did say that, because I meant it. Avatar was cliched as hell, but it was still great.
Okay so is there any TV-Y shows that are better than Friendship is Magic?
It was great because the characters are great and are properly developed. How Avatar can be compared to My Little Pony is beyond me.
And people in this site show once again how butthurt they get over an opinion. *slow clap* Bravo. You've once again proved yourselves to be immature in voicing your arguments. Way to go.
@lexicon Many TV-Y shows are better than this shitty show, come on man..
@Ryochi Mayeabara Exactly, like, people, it's just my opinion. And the review even got flagged, for no reason at all. This is one of the many reasons me and a lot of people kind of dislike Bronies.
Lol but the butthurt is pretty funny tho =D
Dude its a problem with people in this site in general. The butthurt happens more often here than it does when I share my opinions on Youtube where I expect that from people. In fact, some of them handle opinions far better than the people in this site constantly telling others to "disregard my opinion" just because I have an unpopular viewpoint on something. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem in other communities, i'm SAYING that I see it far more often here than I do in any other site. And what ticks me off the most is that there could have been more done to enforce fair and unbiased thinking but they either do not care or just flat out show up when they feel like it. I'm not saying that its their fault at all, i'm saying, however, that there honestly could have been more done instead of allowing this behavior to pass.
That's what it seems like because I almost have to put up with this bullshit every time a I post a review in this site. And no, I am not talking about the people who have fair points, I am talking about the people who come and try to drive people away from your opinion and almost nobody calls them out on it (there are exceptions of course, like this review and others) and some even agree and support it. Debunking points is fair and a mature way to handle arguments (usually), getting butthurt and finding the most minor flaw, making assumptions, and just making flawed arguments and insisting for people to not pay attention to your review (or, in my case, stop making reviews altogether) is not. It makes you look butthurt and immature.
I'm sorry for this unrelated(ish) post but this is really ticking me off.
I am not a brony, and even I find this review offensive.
While I can respect someone not liking a show and believing it's overrated (I have this opinion myself on some shows), your review feels overly simplistic, you dont give any concrete example to illustrate why you don't see any depth in the characters or the story (despite people giving you exemples to prove you wrong), and more importantly, you call Bronies "strange" for liking it, which is rather condescending and only one step away from being insulting. So, yeah, there is a good reason your review got flagged.
Also, Teen Titans Go!, a better show? Yeah, sure, and I am the King of France.
Calling it, "this shitty show" is insulting.
He's right, you know. They were "strange" on a genetic level long before the show made it apparent to all. Hopefully, what with advances in genetic and eidetic research, we can wholly eliminate this genomic anomaly from the future gene pool.
Theokal3:
So this review goes away but reviews that are even shittier and shorter don't even get touched (i can easily give examples)? Seriously? That really makes me question the logic of some people in this community. Sure his review is flawed, but he's at least trying to support his points which is what a comment section is for. Plus he already addressed that bronies being strange (you cannot tell me that a grown man liking a show intended for little girls isn't going to raise some eyebrows) isn't a bad thing.
But to be fair he could have provided more examples.
And teen titans go is a lot funnier than this show (i've heard some of the jokes in MLP and they aren't great imo) and it really isn't that bad. Sure some episodes are weak but some can be pretty hilarious.
Lexicon:
Really? Nobody would be batting an eye if someone said the same thing about a show that is universally hated. Regardless if one person likes it. Nobody is insulting you for liking the show, he's insulting the show itself (if he's insulting you THEN it would be pretty insulting).
If you're going to be offended over an opinion then you shouldn't be reading/watching reviews. That goes for anyone.
Bastard1:
Hilarious (sarcasm). Funny how you say that I treat a comment section like a blog but you treat it as a place to add in jokes that are neither funny nor contribute anything to this review . Which is what a comment section is supposed to be for mind you.
"So this review goes away but reviews that are even shittier and shorter don't even get touched (i can easily give examples)? Seriously?"
Other reviews have no bearing on whether or not this one is valid. If a cop pulls you over for going 75 in a 65 zone, you can't point to the maniac who just whizzed by at 100 and argue that you should get away with your crime too; you're still guilty of speeding regardless of what other people do.
Now, with that said, I'm not going to fault someone for not liking the show, nor will I say that it's wrong to compare it to certain other cartoons. That's all a matter of opinion, and you're entitled to yours. I'm also not going to assume that seeing later episodes would wipe away all your criticisms, even though I can understand where people are coming from when they say that the characters became more rounded later on.
HOWEVER, the "Older people who aren't strange. :)" line definitely seems like an unnecessary jab at the show's fans (especially with the emoticon for added snark). If you want people to accept your opinions, you shouldn't make judgments against them for disagreeing, such as "The people who like this show are weird."
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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
This is a funny video, by a channel I like called "I Hate Everything":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCDNBUodIXY
This guy also got hate from bronies using the phrase "You watched the first episode! The first episode sucks, start with [insert episode/season/arc here]!" as an excuse. And yet it was this season that started the whole brony thing in the first place.
The atrocious fandom (which IHE listed as the second worst ever in his opinion) made me hate this show and never want to watch it. I can't take any of it seriously.
Join the club. You and I have the same reasons we refuse to watch the show.
Guys, before anyone else gets mad about that last part of the review, keep in mind I never said being weird is a bad thing. I legit think bronies are weird, but pretty much everyone on earth is weird in their own way. =)
@ TT 454 That guy is hilarious, lmao. That is too one of reasons I don't like the show.
You already said that in a comment but everyone just decided to ignore it. Amazing how many people can't read.
I'll b honest wheni. First saw this review i was pissed especially When u sai. Teen titans go was good and although that is an ass show and hAs proven. So its ur show. Like my little pony is my show. So i totally understand if u don't like it. Its not for everyone The jokes r kiddy but i like them and have laughed out. Loud so i know i wont like an asshole towatds because opibions r different if we were the. Same that'd. B boring. Lol. So have a good day sir nd god bless :).
@Nostalgiachick467 I don't mean to sound rude but I have no idea what you just said. |:
That was so freaking rude u little douche bag! Figure it outy yourself douche bag i have better things to do .damn u disgusted me.
@Nostalgiachick467 I'm sorry mam. ):
So this review goes away but reviews that are even shittier and shorter don't even get touched (i can easily give examples)? Seriously? That really makes me question the logic of some people in this community.
One: I made it clear I am NOT from this community.
Two: I fail to see how this is relevant to what I said. What makes you think I spared reviews who are shortier and shittier? You think I went to check all the shitty reviews?
3) The fact you can give examples is irrelevant to my point; he didn't, and that's what I am criticizing about him.
Sure his review is flawed, but he's at least trying to support his points which is what a comment section is for.
Again: without giving real examples.
Plus he already addressed that bronies being strange (you cannot tell me that a grown man liking a show intended for little girls isn't going to raise some eyebrows) isn't a bad thing.
Calling them "strange" still is quite condescending. And that kind of thing raises an eyebrow because a lot of people have moronic prejudices. I fail to see how adults liking a little girl show is weirder than a grown man liking shows like Transformers or Superhero comics.
And teen titans go is a lot funnier than this show (i've heard some of the jokes in MLP and they aren't great imo) and it really isn't that bad. Sure some episodes are weak but some can be pretty hilarious.
Teen Titans Go is full of bad tasting jokes and relies way too much on its characters being asshole. If you find that funny good for you, but to me it's an embodiment of bad comedy.
@Theokal3 My god, it's just his and my opinions, calm down.
Are you really surprised that some people think that your review is ofensive?
"Older people who aren't strange. :)"
That sounds like trolling to me. It was uncalled for, it doesn't have anything to do with the show or the rest of your review. Besides, I don't know where do you live, but in my culture calling someone strange is inherently bad. It shoulden't be like that, but it is. And the emoticon just makes you look like you want to piss off people. No wonder why this got flagged.
I don't think bronies are weird. T Hey just like the show, maybe because the animation looks good, or because the intercation between the characters is pretty neat, or because the characters themselves are deconstructions of stereotypes. I'm not saying that you should agree with all of this. However, this show panders both to little kids and adults, and if you fail to see that... well, that's your problem. And someone isn't strenge only because s/he likes something that you don't.
@Nazo .... Ryochi, you're right. IT is amazing how people don't read.
Okay let me get this straight; a show that is about some talking pony's who do have different personalities, and the jokes are funny if you find them funny because humor is subjective is cliched and you don't get why people watch it... but teen titans go a show that bastardized characters where they are unrecognizable, makes more tasteless jokes than mlp, completely ruined the original source material because the creators admitted to NEVER watching the show is okay! I think I smeel some hypocrites!
Okay lol, look if you like TTG then fine like I said humor is subjective and although I said the jokes are tasteless that's okay if you like them but do not say another show is bad when the two are almost the same! Well not this case but they are both aimed for kids and have a weird fanbase. You going "Oh TTG is funnier and not cliched and I think it has good jokes" is really hypocritical unless you have facts to back it up. Plus no show is better than another. Once upon a time isn't better than game of thrones, Clarence isn't better than Harvey Beaks, etc. Again if you dislike mlp power to you, but you need to realize some of the stuff you're saying isn't going to go with everybody not to mention some of your points are invalid. IDK maybe me being a pegasister has made me biased but I don't want to fight.
Aren't you going to say anything? Or are you stumped?
See this is why I really dislike this site's review section. People just can't get through their heads that its a fucking opinion. I really feel bad for The Awesome User cause I had to put up with the same bullshit for EXTREMELY petty reasoning.
"Its just my opinion" is not a magical get-out-of-criticism free card. The same freedom that lets The Awesome User post their review and you post your support for it, also lets other people say they don't like it. That's how free speech works. No one is obligated to agree with your opinion just because you post it on the internet.
Emptybee:
Disagreeing for reasonable reasons and using annoyingly petty reasoning (its insulting....even though its really not) plus complaining about something that was already addressed is a completely different matter.
I never said anyone was obligated to agree, what I DO expect is some respect, for people to read the comments before complaining about something, stop being easily offended (it wasn't offensive), and to respect a freaking opinion (telling someone to delete a review or stop making reviews is crossing a line).
You all need to calm the hell down and let this frigging review die already. I'm not a fan of bronies (or massive/crazy fandoms in general, like SuperWhoLock), but between the bronies/"pegasisters" who've commented on this and the opposition who don't like the show, absolutely nothing worthwhile has come out of this review or this comment section.
When The Awesome User made this review, then he should have expected the inevitable backlash, yes. But Christ, every large fandom is weird. It comes with the territory of being a very loyal, protective fanbase. Bronies are weird because a group of adults/teens, most of them male, claimed a franchise meant for little girls and became such a massive force that no-one in the original demographic is safe from the overwhelmingly adult content - porn or just general hyperbolic teenage drama over stupid crap - produced by that fanbase.
Do you know who else is weird? Gamers, anime fans, SuperLockWho fans, some of them for the same reasons. I mean, seeing Loki with stupid Animesque blush-lines once is kinda funny, but not so much the next fifty times. And there's a whole subsection of anime dedicated to the sexualization of girls as young as 5, if not younger. And you know what? Both fandoms, while occasionally hair-triggery, seem to at least get that they have bad apples in their midst and are easy enough to avoid on the internet.
So yes, you're weird. So is every other large fandom - rail enthusiasts, gamers, history nerds even. I'm weird - I once obsessed over getting Ridge Racer 2 on PSP for the better part of 6 years, and I love Evangelion about as much as I love getting involved with the fanbase (that is to say, a lot). The thing is, though, at least other large, weird fandoms know how to rein themselves in when someone tries to see the appeal in them and doesn't catch the spark. Like there are bad apples who yell at other people for not "getting it", but you're equally as likely to find, say, an Eva fan who doesn't care that much if someone didn't get into the show. Y'all need to calm the hell down.
I will say that between The Awesome User and Ryochi refuting the inevitable fan backlash, helping to keep the review at the top of the page, and Nostalgiachick following up her argument with some blatant flame-bait, I've more or less lost hope for any sort of civility here, or hopes that this review and its rubbish comments will disappear before hitting 50 comments. I just wanted to say that you all need to calm the hell down and let this fight fizzle out, because you're all as bad as each other at this point and you're making yourselves look bad to everyone else.
I second that. It's getting really tiresome seeing this review constantly at the top of the Latest Reviews list. If you really, really, really need to continue your heated discussion, then just go to the forums or something.
Not replying after this.
I pretty much agree but (correct me if I'm wrong) you're basically saying that we're NOT supposed to at least defend our own viewpoint? Because that's basically what we're doing (Except Nostalgiachick......eh).
Wish you came sooner to be honest.
1. Its tiresome seeing the review on top of Latest reviews? And it won't get tiresome on the forums? Great logic there bud.
2. A review's comment section is meant for discussing the review. Putting it on the forum is pointless, makes no sense, and defeats the purpose of including a comment section in the first place.
3. If you really, really, really are tired of seeing reviews on top of the latest review section....then scroll down. If its that troubling to you then....I really don't know what to tell you.
"My god, it's just his and my opinions, calm down."
I am very calm. What made you think I wasn't? Frankly I feel Ryochi is the one overreacting. All I did was give my own opinion and explain why I feel your approach of things is offensive.
"See this is why I really dislike this site's review section. People just can't get through their heads that its a fucking opinion."
And they say I am the aggressive one.
Again, giving his opinion is fine. Calling people "strange" for liking it? Not so much. I am really suspecting the Awesome User is a troll, because it's amazing he was surprised his review got flagged for his lack of tact.
K, this has gotten pretty stupid. I'm just gunna sum this up:
- MLP:Fi M is shitty
- And bronies on this site don't like hearing that opinion.
Done. :) I'm moving accounts anyways.
You.... are really not helping your case with reactions like this.
Also...
And bronies on this site don't like hearing that opinion.
So, you mean people don't hearing people say what they like is shitty???!! You just blew my mind!
Why don't you all just settle it in Smash
All I see I conquer
Also when you say its just my opinion you've lost. The best way to win an argument is to smash through you opponents reasoning until they admit its their opinion before they do the same to you.
All I see I conquer
Moving accounts means that you are afraid of losing. Your planning to go all Phil Fish on us aren't you
All I see I conquer
This is why I hate both bronies and Lauren Faust.
Not all bronies are like this. It just attracted some of the undesirable ones.
Blaming Lauren Faust for the behavior of her fans is kind of unfair.
Flagged, huh?
It's been five years later, and Bronies still can't take criticism.
That might have something to do with "this is a shitty children show" not qualifying as a legitimate criticism.
"That might have something to do with "this is a shitty children show" not qualifying as a legitimate criticism."
I was called a "hater" and they flagged my review even though I said absolutely nothing imflammatory and called the show average.
Yeah, I saw your review. It wasn\'t quite as bad as this one, but it still had a condescending tone toward Bronies essentially telling them the show is nothing special and is very cliché, without giving any positive comment; So honestly I can see why they didn\'t take it well. My own review raised both positive and negative points about the show, and I got no flag.
Just gonna drop my two cents here—if a show\'s entire first season is considered mediocre as its own product, you\'ve failed as a writer. That\'s the hook. It\'s more forgivable if something similar happens in later seasons as a result of jumping the shark, but the kind of message that projects early in is, \"Hey, I know this kinda sucks, but please hold our hand until later. It gets better, you just have to wait.\"
I\'d apply a similar rationale to the much-derided \"all negative\" reviews. Often times, a review is a reflection of one\'s own experience with a piece of media, and if they didn\'t enjoy any of it, then so be it. If there\'s an explanation behind it (even if it\'s a matter of opinion than anything), then it\'s at least surpassed the likes of \"0/10 don\'t watch\" or \"omg best show ever flawless perfect etc etc etc\".
I\'m a fan of the show, and even I hate the fanbase sometimes. I respect your opinion even though I very highly disagree with it.
"Yeah, I saw your review. It wasn't quite as bad as this one, but it still had a condescending tone toward Bronies essentially telling them the show is nothing special and is very cliché, without giving any positive comment; So honestly I can see why they didn't take it well."
But it IS nothing special and it IS very cliche. MLP is resoundingly mediocre. It still very cute and pleasing to the eye and does its cliches well. That's why I still watch it. Its not quality by any means, but its very fun and cute.
Bronies have notoriously never taken criticism of their precious ponies very well. And like any person or group of people who can't take criticism or dissenting opinion, they label it "trolling", even if its completely honest and candid.
Calling something \"mediocre\" and \"cliché\" NEVER is taken well, by Bronies or anybody else. You could have just said it was okay. When saying mediocre and cliché, you automatically sound like you look down to a show.
\"Mediocre\" and \"okay\" do not carry the same connotations—if you feel something is overwhelmingly bad, there\'s no need to mince words and pretend otherwise. Honesty, or bluntness in some cases, should be expected from a review, shouldn\'t it? If Bronies or any other particular fervent fandoms take a scathing review as a personal attack, then perhaps they shouldn\'t invest so much of their identity in a cartoon, or a book, or a movie series, or a video game, et cetera.
So basically you are criticizing fans for being fans. You're new to this place, aren't you?
Then again, if you don't feel like he should have minced his words, then fine. But then he shouldn't bitch about fans being pissed, because that's what's expected from them, like it or not.
>So basically you are criticizing fans for being fans. You\'re new to this place, aren\'t you?
I have no idea where you got this from or what I\'m supposed to gather from the latter statement, but anyways,
Public opinion is a double-edged sword. By putting a controversial opinion out, you also make yourself subject to opinions of others, which can be observed here. I don\'t necessarily object to that; the last portion of the review is most definitely flame bait, and I\'m not surprised at the comments it\'s garnered, but if that one overt jab at Bronies had been removed, I\'d consider it fair for a review. I think One Piece is tripe and predictable, but that doesn\'t mean I look down on all One Piece fans like some kind of pretentious elite.
I have no idea where you got this from or what I'm supposed to gather from the latter statement, but anyways,
I have no idea how you didn't get it, because I was pretty clear. Of course Fans react negatively when their favourite show is insulted (and I do mean insulted, not criticized). It's what they do. Have you ever met them?
Sorry to see all these bronies who are too ungrateful that they have hundreds of people in their fandom to not be bothered that this one person has something bad to say about it.
“See! These positive reviews people gave of the show proves that it’s a really great show!”
“But there are also negative reviews.”
“That part is a LIE! Only the part that agrees with me is true.”
And here comes another one. You know all fandoms tend to react negatively when their favourite shows get insulted, right? Bronies hardly are the only one.
they don\'t always learn a moral... Applejack had that one episode where she was right all along! The character development also gets really good from season 4 onwards, especially the finale. Yeah, he had the \"super smart villain\" cliche but people loved it, how he manipulated Discord and had an epic Dragon-ball-z level fight with Twilight.
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It's just a cliche children's show..
I know this an unpopular opinion, and I know it's just a little girls show, but here is my reason why I disagree with people saying it's better than other shows rated TV-Y. Honestly it's no different than the typical little kid shows on Nick Jr. Think About it.
The characters are all 1D. Pretty much all of them can be summed up in one word. [Smart, shy, tomboy, ect.] Just like any other badly made Nick Jr. show, the characters are flat and have been done before.
The show structure is repetitive; there's always a "moral" or "what I've learned today" at the end. You always know how the story is going to wrap up. There's no surprises or complicated story. The conflict feels pointless because you all know how it's gonna go out. Almost all of the stories and plots have been done before by, yup, other children shows.
The humor seems to pretty much appeal to little kids under the age of 6. And please, do not give me that "they make adult jokes, so it's not just for little girls!!" I've seen plenty of children's cartoons that did sneak in adult jokes, and way better than this shitty show did. That doesn't mean those shows and this show is for adults too just because of some jokes.
But the thing is..the show is good. For little kids. The characters are flat and boring because these kind of characters are easy for little kids to identify. The humor is cheesy and unfunny to older people because it's little kid humor. The story is structured and repetitive because that is what appeals to little children. From the toys, the merchandise, the movies, it all makes sense. MLP:Fi M is a franchise that is just one big cliche in children's entertainment; it checks off all the cliches of one and does pretty much nothing new, which makes it shitty. But for older people.
Older people who aren't strange. :)
Those are my thoughts. Thanks for reading!
But seriously.. "Cutie mark"?
Goddamnit.
And the review is flagged. And I thought bronies could at least accept opinions.