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NTC3 Since: Jan, 2013
05/11/2015 15:10:45 •••

Did Marvel jump the shark?

I saw the first Avengers and it was good, but not great. I saw Iron Man Trilogy, which went from great, to bad, to decent. Thor 2 was fun and So Bad, It's Good in equal manner. Winter Soldier used language of War on Terror to make a dumb but well-directed action flick seem smart. Guardians of the Galaxy dropped the seriousness, focused on characters and was awesome. Admittedly, that's not all of MCU, but enough to judge Age of Ultron against the rest of MCU.

It's the second worst installment after Iron Man 2.

You know things are going to be stupid when Tony literally takes an alien object tampered with by Hydra and then decides to use it to do the exact the same thing Captain America fought against in Winter Soldier, only with robots instead of helicarriers. Once Ultron is free, he gets around with no problems and no-one besides Avengers trying to stop him as his clones multiply god-knows-where. You would think all the supply lines needed to produce HUNDREDS of robots would be easy to trace back to the rogue factories, but what do you know. Then again, it's no more stupid then a supply of Vibranium at a huge base in Africa S.H.I.E.L.D. somehow failed to find, or Ultron flying around to the center of Seoul with nobody noticing.

There are more characters in total, and, somehow, newcomers are the best in here. Old guard gets increasingly hit-and-miss quips and forced flashbacks that don't actually make them any deeper. (Cap's still haunted by war & his coma! Who knew?) Banner/ Natasha romance is a nice idea, but the execution is akin to a Nicholas Sparks film.

Action is not good. It's just lots of cannon fodder getting dispatched, again and again and again - a far cry from fights in Winter Soldier and Guardians, where even minor combatants on all sides got their chance to shine. Motorway battle is inferior to one in Furious 7 or Matrix Reloaded to give just two examples. Even the Skrulls felt like more of a threat. At the climax, Whedon managed to make a chunk of earth lifted skywards look like yet another generic city being destroyed (as seen in Man of Steel, first Avengers, and all Transformers films.)

Speaking of MOS, Avengers do spend a lot of time saving people unlike that abomination. It's commendable, but falls flat, because very few die on screen and so there's no meaningful contrast to get us invested.

Score: 5/10

NordRonnoc Since: Oct, 2010
05/07/2015 00:00:00

Yeesh. With that amount of vitriol, it's a miracle you didn't get a lot of comments. Not saying I agree with your review, far from it.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
05/08/2015 00:00:00

"I saw Iron Man Trilogy, which went from great, to bad, to decent. Thor 2 was fun and So Bad, It's Good in equal manner. Winter Soldier used language of War on Terror to make a dumb but well-directed action flick seem smart."

Iron Man 3, decent? Yeah, I disagree with already on this one.

Anyway, while I have mixed feelings about Age of Ultron (still not sure if I consider it as good, better or less good than the first Avengers), I definitely have to say you are being too harsh.

"You know things are going to be stupid when Tony literally takes an alien object tampered with by Hydra and then decides to use it to do the exact the same thing Captain America fought against in Winter Soldier, only with robots instead of helicarriers."

... Yeah, that was kinda the point. They intentionally did the parallel between the two. It wasn't a rip-off, it's was a continuation of the theme. Also, call me crazy, but I kinda see a big difference between using advanced Helicarrier to kill people before they accomplish crime and creating an IA with the purpose of stopping a friggin' Alien Invasion. So yeah, while there is a common theme, it's NOT the exact same thing.

"once Ultron is free, he gets around with no problems and no-one besides Avengers trying to stop him as his clones multiply god-knows-where. You would think all the supply lines needed to produce HUNDREDS of robots would be easy to trace back to the rogue factories, but what do you know. Then again, it's no more stupid then a supply of Vibranium at a huge base in Africa S.H.I.E.L.D. somehow failed to find, or Ultron flying around to the center of Seoul with nobody noticing."

1) Ultron is on the Internet. I am pretty sure he can easily take advantage on this to hack the accounts and cover his tracks.

2) You do realize SHIELD was disbanded at the time, right? Or, according to Agents of SHIELD, busy fighting HYDRA and suffering internal struggles, or at least recovering from these?

"There are more characters in total, and, somehow, newcomers are the best in here. Old guard gets increasingly hit-and-miss quips and forced flashbacks that don't actually make them any deeper. (Cap's still haunted by war & his coma! Who knew?)"

I respectfully disagree. It's already good they actually bothered developping the characters, and you do learn quite much about some of them (Hawkeye especially).

"Banner/ Natasha romance is a nice idea, but the execution is akin to a Nicholas Sparks film."

.... Okay, you got a point on that one; the execution was arkward at best.

NordRonnoc Since: Oct, 2010
05/08/2015 00:00:00

I'll have to agree with Theokal3 here, for the most part. While the romance between Bruce and Natasha was sweet and a little heartbreaking, especially at the end, it felt sudden when you add in Betty into the mix. That, and the slight inconsistencies between what happen in Ao U and Iron Man 3. Other than that, it's pretty solid.

Also, it's pretty obvious the Scarlet Witch is exploiting everyone's fears, like Captain America missing home and not fitting in after the war, Thor seeing Asgard going straight to hell (literally), and Black Widow going through her training. And pay attention to the continuity, since the Marvel Cinematic Universe is filled with them. You'll recall that in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, SHIELD has been disbanded and had just reformed under a different team, led by Phil Coulson. It's all building up to the third and fourth Avengers movie, Infinity War.

Maybe I should do a review of this, see what y'all think.

XenosHg Since: Oct, 2013
05/09/2015 00:00:00

Theokal, please don't "disagree" with other opinions -This should be red. -No. "I disagree that it's decent" might mean you love it. Or think it's totally horrible. Equal possibilities.

Also, I don't think Hydra "messed" with the AI of the scepter. Maybe, Kree messed with it - but, since Ultron has some real (though sociopatic) logic, I think scepter's neurocomputer wasn't tampered with - it just was left "as is" - with original alien logic, and no human priorities. And it started working by accident. AI is a crapshoot, it happens, it's usual in fiction.

They tried using helicarriers for good - but those were stolen. Then they tried to reuse stolen alien technology - but without modifications it didn't work as needed. Given time, they'll think something that'll actually work. Like Vision, but less accidental. After all, Jarvis actually works. They can't blame Stark for making ONLY bad, destructive things as long as his AI works greater than anyone might expect.

NTC3 Since: Jan, 2013
05/09/2015 00:00:00

@ Xenos Hg: Do you still not get it? The problem with the Helicarriers and the Ultron's army wasn't that it was "stolen" or "didn't work as needed" - it was that they both provided power to dominate everything else on the planet, the kind of power you cannot wield without abusing, as you'll soon begin to make arbitrary decisions about who lives and who dies on your watch. This is exactly the problem with the drone program, and why it's so dissapointing Winter Soldier completely left out the "error" aspect integral to real-world debate.

And Theokal, there's a lot less difference between the Helicarriers and Ultron than you make it out to be. Namely, SHIELD/HYDRA wanted to repel the alien invasions too - I'm pretty sure they explicitly say in both Winter Soldier and the first Avengers that Helicarriers would've had easily dealt with Skrulls on their own if they were ready by the time of invasion.

It's just that they wanted to deal with internal unrest first, same as Stark when he mentions "no matter how many drug dealers we hunt it's not enough" (or whatever the exact quote was) in passing. If Ultron's army worked as intended, it would have drifted to similar authoritarianism if given enough time. When they fought over activating Vision, the only thought I had was "Why the hell couldn't you do that the first time?" It's not like Captain America was completely ignorant of what Tony was doing, and he had to draw those parallels for himself.

You do realize SHIELD was disbanded at the time, right?

That huge South African base with government connections and the largest supply of world's most valuable metal can't be built in a day; this kind of stuff takes decades of work, which SHIELD somehow failed to notice and deal with even at their post-Avengers prime.

Similarly, truckloads of metal and electronics that HAD to have been delivered to Ultron's factories to make his robots (not to mention the electricity to power them, etc.) are something obviously present in the physical world; you cannot conceal that through the internet alone. Stuff like this almost makes you long for Iron Man 3's plotting, where even a series of unintended explosions rightfully couldn't have gone unexplained, and it was a less serious film on the whole.

As for characters, I liked Hawkeye's scenes family too, but couldn't mention it because of the word count. It's scenes like these and further character development that kept me from giving it a lower score. And Nord, I knew all of that stuff already: I just can't help but lament that everyone's deepest fears weren't actually that deep, and revealed very little we didn't already know, largely wasting the opportunity on hand.

Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/09/2015 00:00:00

SHIELD not noticing the Klaw's operations can be explained by 3 reasons. 1. SHIELD probably had better things do do 2. We don't know what South Africa's relationship with SHIELD was like 3. Hydra could have kept the operations off the book to suit there own ends 4. Bribes 5. As mentioned above, Coulson's SHIELD has not only been busy with Whitehall, Garret, Ward, Raina, and Cal but has also gone through a coup.

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Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/09/2015 00:00:00

Also, Strucker already had the parts for the drones and electricity.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
05/09/2015 00:00:00

Cap's still haunted by war & his coma! Who knew?

I think that's missing the point of the scene. In all of Steve's other flashbacks, he's been viewing the 40s as the good ol' days and missing what he's lost. His vision here has imagine a world where he never went under, only to find he still can't adjust to a post-war world. He couldn't even bring himself to dance with Peggy. That's a complete flip of all we've seen so far of how Steve views that past, and accepting that is why he's still leading the Avengers at the end of the film.

Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/09/2015 00:00:00

Who says they were there deepest fears?

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Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/09/2015 00:00:00

Sorry if my comments aren't polished but I'm new at this. Knew about this site for a long time but only recently became member.

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Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/09/2015 00:00:00

Also, the Helicarriers were for internal threats while Ultron was for aliens.

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Khyron42_Prime Since: Mar, 2015
05/10/2015 00:00:00

Man, thanks for writing this review, 400 characters is nowhere near enough to detail what a mess this movie is.

And furthermore, moreover, I consider that Five Man Band must be merged with The Team.
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
05/11/2015 00:00:00

Phicoulson pretty much summed up the numerous reason SHIELD could have missed Klaw/Klaue/Whatever's base (still wondering why they felt the need to change his name. I mean, it's no big deal but I don't really see what motivated them into doing that).

I don't remember Winter Soldier making any mention of the Alien Invasion; in fact, the whole Helicarrier deal was very clearly about stopping potentially dangerous people on EARTH, with nothing space-related. Maybe there is a part I missed where HYDRA talks about preparing Earth against invasion, but then it was something they would have done AFTER, and it was a completely separate thing: the Helicarriers in themselves weren't aimed at the alien invasion. And even assuming you are right and Tony's plan isn't that different than what happened in Winter Soldier, my point on the whole theme thing still stand.

I am well-aware metal and electronics are moved physically, but seeing how practically everything is done through the Internet nowadays, it must not be THAT hard to use hacking to cover your tracks. What can't be covered that way can probably be covered by more traditional methods, like buying from the black market.

Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/11/2015 00:00:00

Klaue is the villain name Klaue is his real names they used Klaue because comic book movies don't use codenames.

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Philcoulson Since: May, 2015
05/11/2015 00:00:00

When I said Klaue was the villain name I meant Klaw

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