As someone who is Sylki-neutral, I think it does fit and agree with some of the criticisms. But even disregarding my personal opinions for the sake of neutrality and the spirit of the YMMV page (which is about recording widespread fan reactions), I have indeed seen a lot of people who are not Lokius-Sylki ship war partisans also expressing disappointment/confusion at the Sylki relationship and its progression, in part since Loki's appearances in the films make it a harder for them to buy him falling in love so easily.
Once all the bad-faith Ship-to-Ship Combat from Lokius fanatics who are hostile towards anything that gets in the way of Loki and Mobius's true love are cleared away, a portion of the remaining complaints can be filed away under No Yay, as they're more about being put off by the premise of the relationship than its execution. But for all the folks who are genuinely concerned about execution, the complaints are less that they don't get adequate amounts of bonding after the falling-in-love part (that part they are more or less OK with), but rather that the show doesn't really give them an adequate reason as to why they fell in love in the first place, and that's where the strangling occurred.
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Strangled by the Red String does not apply to "put off by the premise of the relationship". As written on the trope page, "Refrain from using this to whine about a pairing that you personally don't like."
Also, "If you add an example, be sure to explain why you feel the couple fits. Make sure it fulfills both requirements; it fits the description of ways development can be "off" and leads to at least one of the consequences listed above."
I'm not seeing how this is an example of any of the "consequences" on the trope page currently. This is the part that starts with "The characters don't merely start dating nor just fall in Love at First Sight; they are thrown into a state of immense amorous passion, starry-eyed, Intertwined Fingers, kissing passionately, and promising each other an eternity of happiness simply Because Destiny Says So. etc"
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That's kind of what I mean. There may be unrelated reasons that fans will dismiss the Sylki relationship, but even after you sift away all the complaints that are more rooted in those other things, you are still left with a sizeable section of fans who felt the relationship was rushed to the point of straining credulity.
Regarding the consequences part, a lot of people also feel that Loki himself got derailed as a result of the relationship into an uncharacteristically sappy idiot for no good reason. I've come up with a personal Alternative Character Interpretation to make it work, but it's a loose end that the show never really validated the way I hoped, and Fan Wank is not good enough for most of the naysayers.
You may personally feel otherwise, I frequently do for many of the entries I write down, but YMMV isn't a place for expressing personal opinions but for impartially describing collective fan reactions, and quite a few viewers think so, ergo it's worth recording.
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I'm not seeing that type of reaction anywhere on reddit (both r/Marvel Studios and r/Marvel Studios Spoilers) or on imdb. I admit I don't check any other resources. But that's not that much of an issue for me to go on discussing it :-)
If you insist that there are indeed many people somewhere out there who feel this way, so it be.
I mean, speaking from personal experience, I'm actually for the basic idea of the ship but it still was... weirdly rushed?
Like a bonding scene about mothers (or a lack thereof) and some becoming Fire-Forged Friends and suddenly this Loki's not only in loooooooooooooooooooooooove but also as a direct corollary had as much character development as the dead MCU Loki seems a bit... much.
I mean, I've certainly seen that reaction on this very site's boards, but admittedly I'm not entirely caught up on the discussion so a lot of the discourse was assuming the nexus event was the two Lokis falling in love. Which really did basically just happen in the span of the third episode (to the extent that most people assumed that it was an enchantment to get Loki to trust Sylvie). Every subsequent episode essentially took it as a given that they're attracted to each other even if it wasn't overtly acted upon.
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Yeah, a lot of comments on the relationship in the forums have been pretty much that (being OK with it in theory but feeling it happened too fast and did not fit with Loki's existing characterization; that and Sylvie treating Loki like a good friend most of the time before suddenly reciprocating out of nowhere). Reddit is perhaps not the best place to get reactions on the quality of romance plotlines, as they tend to be unusually forgiving of M/F couples to the point that I've seen a lot of defenses even of pairings like Steve/Sharon and Bruce/Nat which will be merely divisive there as opposed to broadly reviled like they are elsewhere.
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Does Strangled by the Red String really apply? They are holding hands in episode 3, fighting together in episode 4, sharing a blanket and holding hands in episode 5, sharing a kiss in episode 6, and they never even say "I love you" to each other in season 1. Seems pretty slow to me. I've seen this entry added and removed, and I don't want to get involved in an Edit War, so I'm asking here.
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