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GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) (General of TV Troops)
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 22nd 2021 at 9:16:36 AM •••

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Subjective?, started by EmilyG on Mar 19th 2011 at 2:27:13 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 11:43:41 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Needs Help, started by KingZeal on Apr 12th 2012 at 10:47:17 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 9:03:28 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Ambiguous Name, started by Malady on Mar 11th 2018 at 5:11:34 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lyner Since: Sep, 2014
Sep 12th 2017 at 6:01:05 AM •••

Do things like menu screens count in any way? Because while I could probably show a friend the front cover of The Severing Crime Edge, the moment he sees the menu image I'm sure he'll quit, as it makes even the worst of the ecchi moments feel tame.

Starfire Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 4th 2015 at 2:15:25 PM •••

It strikes me that this is pretty much portrayed as a highly negative trope. But it exists for a reason. Covers exist to draw the eye of the reader and advertise "Hey, if you like other stuff with art like this on the cover you might like this book too!" While it's horribly embarrassing to pick up a book with the stereotypical bodice ripper cover: you generally know what you're going to get. It's essentially a visual "language" in a loose sense. The image evokes a feeling in the reader that ideally will suggest to them what sort of content they're going to find inside, even if it isn't entirely representative of the actual content.

Where this causes problems is when marketing chooses embarrassing art or the book straddles genres in a strange way and they don't know how to sell the thing. If you're from a periphery demographic you're probably more likely to find a cover contemptible because you didn't buy it for the cover.

Covers are advertising to draw in the reader who doesn't know about the author or the story. They exist for the every-man who says "that looks interesting." They don't exist for the people who already know about the author, or who are already hooked on the series. There's a reason an author's name can take up more space on the cover than the title of the book. They've become big enough that their name alone will sell the book.

We should probably make this point in some manner.

KelpTheGreat Since: Feb, 2013
Apr 21st 2015 at 2:03:20 AM •••

Updated image links needed! I've been updating some of the links, but there are many more entries with dead links, no links, or links to images of terrible quality. Being a primarily visual-based trope, it'd be great if we could get every entry to have an image.

Edited by KelpTheGreat
Sen Sen Since: Jan, 2001
Sen
May 23rd 2011 at 7:33:33 AM •••

Nevermind?! Seriously?!

Probably should get working on that essay now...
Westrim deep in though- ow! Since: Jan, 2001
deep in though- ow!
Nov 26th 2010 at 11:52:50 PM •••

It seems to me that a lot of these seem to fall pretty well into two categories: 1. (EDIT for obviousness: A contemptible cover that is) Representative of the work, but not safe for public viewing, or 2. (EDIT for obviousness: A contemptible cover that is ) Not representative of the work, regardless of safety. Should it be divvied up as such or something similar?

EDIT: Since it apparently wasn't obvious despite this being the contemptible cover discussion page, both of these categories are contemptible, but they have different approaches towards being so.

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cg12345 Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 3rd 2010 at 9:46:23 PM •••

The ones falling under "Not representative of the work, regardless of safety" should be moved to Covers Always Lie, shouldn't they? This trope is supposed to be about ugly-ass / embarrassing book covers.

Edited by cg12345
AnonymousMcCartneyfan Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 3rd 2010 at 10:03:20 PM •••

Yes, they should.

There is a fine line between recklessness and courage — Paul McCartney
Westrim Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 4th 2010 at 10:21:04 AM •••

I assumed it was obvious that both categories were covering different types of contemptible covers but apparently I have to say so, even though we're on that page. The point of the second one is that they are quite contemptible, so they go here, but are also not representative. Yes, it overlaps with Covers Always Lie, but they still go here and they're still significantly different from the other entries. Now focus on the point, please- should we establish 2 or more types to organize them under, and what should those types be?

I rarely visit the forums to avoid the cynicism ooze.
karstovich Since: Dec, 1969
Apr 26th 2010 at 2:30:10 PM •••

Why are there no examples from Literature?

Seriously, this really is mostly a trope about books.

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Lokine Since: Dec, 1969
Aug 15th 2010 at 4:50:52 PM •••

Concerning the Name of the Wind, by Patrick Rothfuss, it might be interesting to note that the french cover actually fits perfectly the book unlike any other official cover. (http://bragelonne-le-blog.fantasyblog.fr/gallery/2/0904-vent.jpg) What do you think? Is a counterexample relevant or just plain misplaced?

Lokine Since: Dec, 1969
Aug 15th 2010 at 4:52:22 PM •••

Darn it, doesn't even work properly.

(by the way. *cough* Were'd be the trope with useful css or html codes? è_é)

T-Jack Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 29th 2010 at 11:47:27 AM •••

Is it just me or is the page quote supposed to be sung to the tune of "John Brown's Body"?

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81.156.6.187 Since: Dec, 1969
Apr 22nd 2010 at 9:55:05 PM •••

I think it's "She'll be coming 'round the mountain"

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty Since: Feb, 2010
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
Mar 18th 2010 at 5:55:49 AM •••

A lot of the Doctor Who covers are no longer on The Other Wiki. We'll need to find a different source or delete the example.

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