I just deleted a bunch of questionable stuff. I've given my reasons below, but I'd like to discuss it and add back anything that might be valid. Even if some of these are actually valid, they'd need to be rewritten for poor grammar.
I bolded the stuff I deleted; otherwise, I deleted the whole example as given :
- Subverted as she seems to get over it as if she had basic issues (can recite Shakespeare after a couple of months and start talking despite her being unable to before)
How is this subverted? There's no detail given about what Cass might have.
- #965 brings back the Titans of Tomorrow Tim Drake. Or tries to. Most of the elements needed for it to happen aren't in place.
Well... he was brought back, so there's no "tries to" involved here.
- So is Tim Drake as he has become a genius billionaire inventor under James Tynion IV (Eternal series and confirmed again throughout Rebirth) while under Scott Lobdell he was more of a genius enthusiast and before New 52 was only qualified as a genius by the press (who did not know Tim Drake had been trained by Batman for 3-4 years at that point) and was only really really intelligent.
Tim is not an Expy of Tony Stark. For starters, he's not a billionaire.
- Heroic Sacrifice: Tim redirects all of the Colony's drones to target him instead of the civilians they were originally sent to kill. He defeats the first wave, but is not so lucky with the second, and is seemingly killed. Downplayed as he could have easily been prevented by asking for help
How is this a downplayed example? That would be if Tim only got injured, which he tecnically did, but the example as written was wrong.
- The upcoming storyline "A Lonely Place of Living", which deals with Tim Drake's attempt to escape Mr. Oz's captivity once more, is one towards "A Lonely Place of Dying", the storyline that marked Tim Drake's first appearance. Even more, the first issue of the storyline mirrors the cover of Batman Vol. 1 #441. Sadly falls under the guise of [1], [[Fridge Logic]] or [2] as do most of the reference to the Pre New 52 continuity. It's especially true in Tim's case as his personality and actions are opposite to the ones he had back then (made worse by giving him his old backstory back as there's even less explanation for the behavior).
I don't know what this addition is accomplishing. Doesn't seem like anything good. Natter, Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, something else?
- This also parallels the end of Final Crisis, where Batman's body was "vaporized" (sent back in time by Darkseid's Omega Sanction; the body Superman found was one of the fake clones) And who was the one person who never believed Bruce was dead? Who never stopped trying to find him? The one who was right all along? Tim Drake. Downplayed as there actually was a body to be buried and Tim Drake was driven with grief. The personality is also different enough that it would makes sense that this version of Tim Drake wouldn't question Bruce's death had Final Crisis happened with him anyway]]
This whole section was Natter.
- Number Two: Tim Drake's place on the team, while Batman and Batwoman are co-leaders. He acts as an advisor and a sort of liaison between Batwoman and the other trainees, and even shows some Lancer elements with his willingness to butt heads with Batwoman a bit over her decisions. Downplayed as he only butted head with Batwoman because he's a [3] and ends up deciding to *let* her lead when it's convenient. He also doesn't really interact with the others unless it's for the [4] subplot (in this case only with Stephanie)
Not a downplayed example, because he and Batwoman are not equals.
- Odd Friendship: Orphan and ClayfaceClayface Ironically the only one that's being built along with Batwoman and Batwing...sort of
Natter, so I deleted it.
- Retirony: Tim seemingly dies after telling Stephanie that he was going to quit being a hero in order to attend college. Seems to be there only as a [5] subplot]]
More Natter.
- Set Right What Once Went Wrong: After Batman!Tim realizes he's in present-day Gotham and can alter the future, he decides to kill Batwoman, whom he blames for causing the Bad Future he's from.[[Spoiler:This storyline can be seen as [6] as it references the Titans of Tomorrow arc which only existed due to certain circumstances, most of which aren't present]]
Not what an Excuse Plot is.
- Spanner in the Works: It turns out that Tim Drake was this to Mr. Oz as he was reconnecting with people he shouldn't, thus instead of letting him die, he ends up capturing him. Ironically he was barely even starting to connect with them]]
We don't know why Oz took him for sure, nor what "connecting threads" means.
Edited by caivu My stories on AO3.
Do you mean the age difference between each member of the team/supporting characters? I can give you my best guess, but Kate and Bruce are really the only ones that one can presumably figure out. And even then, Bruce is constantly in flux.
Well, Kate is ~33 for anything to make sense (West Point's BEAST program is extremely specific in how long it takes/what qualifications you need to have), though this is "comics logic" so there's a margin for error there.
But if Bruce started being Batman at 25, and Kate was discharged right before her last semester at West Point, she'd have been 21 (lots of factors at play here, but she's drinking at the shiva so...) at the time of Philip Kane's murder (as seen during Zero Year, and her tie-in issue), and started her solo vigilante stuff at around ~22.
Three years later (one year operating in secret, two years of training by the Murder of Crows), at ~25, she's back as Batwoman, somewhere near the mid-point of Batman's "Year 3" (Batman had 2 years of operation before the New 52 canon started, so 7 years before Batman #1). Add 4, and she's 29 at Batwoman #1.
Add another 3 for the most likely number of years that the New 52 took place over (judging by Endgame, other factors, etc) and then she's around ~32. Plus a chunk of time thanks to the implied time-skip leading into Rebirth, rounding her out to ~33 Then again, that would mean she was an extremely emotionally intelligent young girl at 5 years old if she comforted Bruce like that when he was 8. Not unheard of, but rare.
Renee Montoya is probably about the same age as Kate.
Cassandra Cain is ~16/17, Stephanie Brown is ~17/18, Tim Drake is ~16, Harper Row is ~18/19, and Luke is somewhere around ~23...I think?
Bruce is, thanks to the green goop, technically ~28 (physically/mentally reverted back to the health of an undamaged 27 year old, but he's aged somewhat since then) but chronologically like ~37.
Hope that helps, and is what you meant.
Edited by ProgmanX
So is this meant for the Rebirth run overall or just the James Tynion IV stuff?
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