Discussion Characters / KingdomHearts

Needless to say, but the character sheet for some of these categories has become a real mess. The main protagonists are fairly well kept mostly just due to being separated into their own individual pages! Overviewing the pages I observed this:

Xehanort's Incarnations has effectively become split between Master Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort, since Ansem and Xemnas are each effectively half of Terra-Xehanort. Should this be reflected in the Character Index?

The Supporting Disney Character page is somehow split between game debut and worlds, leading into some jarring character order. Shouldn't the series important support characters like Yen Sid, Scrooge, and Merlin be listed first in terms of plot importance and then the rest is sorted by world?

The Disney Villain Counsel page is an interesting idea, but the counsel really lost relevance after the first game. I get the idea to organize them by their importance in KH 1, but I liked it better when Maleficent and Pete were listed at the top (in terms of series importance) and the rest were separated by world since few villains left their home world after KH 1 anyways.

The Organization XIII is almost the opposite, prioritizing order from KH 3 despite listing the Organization from KH 2 first. When we get to the Seekers of Darkness, many of them have two numbers listed on them and it looks really bad. Wouldn't it make more sense to list the character tabs by the original group first (since the majority of Organization appearances in the series are of the original group), and then list the Seekers of Darkness in separate bottom tab? All of the seekers were established characters before KH 3 and are on separate pages anyway. Dark Riku is the only outlier of this, but I think at this point both him and Riku Replica could actually be combined (with separate tabs) into their own individual character page now.

Apart from those, I didn't have much else of an issue. I'm not sure if there's a bunch of tropers editing the Index together as a group or if it's all just several different tropers adding away at once. I just wanted to share my notes and hear any feedback, because I really didn't want to edit anything on a massive scale without hearing other opinions first.

The Enemy Creatures page has gotten too long and the site wants it to be split. Any ideas on how that should be done?

Namine page has been cut. She had at most 60 tropes and that isn't enough to justify her having her own page. She has been moved to the "Supporting Originals" page. If you think she fits on a better page; please post here.

ATT page is here. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=72679&type=att

Edit: Since the link dosen't seem to work, the post was made by Albert 3105 on Feb 9th 2019.

Ok, so I have two things to ask

1. How are we gonna halndle the Xehanort Incarnation page, I imagine that since Saïx and Xigbar are already there, we’d due the same for the rest of the Organization that qualifies but then there’s characters that if they were moved to that page would end up being massive spoilers.

2. Do you guys think we should merge some of the Organization member’s Nobodies and Somebodies? I’ve noticed that more often than not the Nobody ends up acting almost exactly like the original with the exceptions of Roxas, Namine, and Xemnas, and that merging the them togeather might remove some clutter.

So, should Data Sora and real Sora be counted as the same person? In-universe, they pretty much are. But you can't ignore the fact that there's been a shift in the way he's being written. In Coded he's definitely a Deadpan Snarker and probably the wittiest guy in the game. It's also lampshaded a couple times that he's Wise Beyond His Years, and in fact capable of surprising eloquence. Sora in KH 1 was more of an everyman, and in KH 2 he was much more of a Shonen style hero-all hot-blooded and bull-headed. While he's proactive in re: coded, he also keeps a level head and tends to analyze his surroundings.

• What Could Have Been: Chernabog was to be the original Big Bad, embodiment of all darkness and final boss of the first game, the endgame originally being a climb up the slopes of Bald Mountain to fight him, with the light inside Kingdom Hearts taking the place of the dawn. Executive Meddling and console limitations put a kibosh in the plan, but the model was kept around to be used as the surprise boss.

Okay, that's the first time I've heard this one. Does anyone have a source?

Okay, Complete Monster is being misused again. Xehanort and Vanitas meet the qualifications but Saix and Larxene?

Saix's goals were understandable and even sympathetic before he became so cruel and extreme that his own childhood friend distacned himself from him. And he has an Alas, Poor Villain death too. He's more of a tragic villain than an inexusably pure evil villain.

We're unsure if Larxene was any good before she was a Nobody, but her sadism was basically all about kicking dogs For the Evulz, not crossing the Moral Event Horizon. And some find her sadism amusing and even ''sexy'' rather than repulsive. Heck, I personally found Marluxia to be more evil than her. She just doesn't count.

Regarding the quote below Vanitas's photo in the character sheet, it always struck me as a little badly translated. I found another version that I think sounds better, but I figured I should pitch it here, first. I'll put the current for comparison.

Current: "They were born when you and I were separated, monsters that grow off of negative emotions. They are a part of my own emotions, inexperienced in life. The plan was to get you to leave the Land of Departure by scattering them across the worlds. And if you defeated them, you'd become stronger. And the emotions of the Unversed you've defeated would return to me. Everything has come along quite nicely."

New(?): "These are the creatures which grew from the negative feelings caused when we separated from each other. They're immature beings, and, in a way, they're a part of my own feelings. I thought if I scattered them around the worlds you'd each go on your own little journey, and everything went according to plan. As a bonus, you all even got stronger as you defeated the Unversed. And the sentiments of those that were defeated once again returned to me. Thanks to you, everything progressed quite nicely."

I'll wait a few days, but if no one comments here, I'll probably change it anyway.

I thought I'd ask before adding it, but does Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy seem appropriate for Xaldin? He, particularly in 358/2, definitely gives me that vibe.