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Pichu-kun Since: Jan, 2001
10th Dec, 2018 04:51:28 AM

Restore. Meowth is considered Crossdressing Voices as his first english voice actress was trans.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
10th Dec, 2018 05:53:35 AM

Definitely restore, but mention should be made that the actor was (at least at the time) biologically female.

It's an interesting case, as to the audience it's not Crossdressing Voices but as far as the actor and production is concerned, it is.

That said, that edit reason is wicked concerning.

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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
10th Dec, 2018 07:54:14 AM

The one who removed it is catstuxedo. Can't find anything else concerning from their edit history, but the edit here is alarming and transphobic.

AkibaPurple Since: Sep, 2013
10th Dec, 2018 09:45:42 AM

edit, never mind

Edited by AkibaPurple
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
11th Dec, 2018 06:59:22 AM

carstuxedo altered the entry with this reason: “No act she puts on can cover her lack of a Y chromosome.”

We need a mod here pronto.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
11th Dec, 2018 07:31:28 AM

That is... impressively alarming. Modified the entry to be a bit more complete, but regardless, that behavior is pretty unacceptable.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
11th Dec, 2018 08:50:21 AM

as to the audience it's not Crossdressing Voices
That's generally the case, which is why it's a trivia-trope. Concluding Crossdressing Voices requires behind-the-scenes information, so it's completely independent from any gender identity issue.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
12th Dec, 2018 08:25:06 AM

Bump. So what to do with the offending Troper?

AkibaPurple Since: Sep, 2013
12th Dec, 2018 09:41:00 AM

If they modify or delete the trope again, a mod should step in with a warning or something.

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
12th Dec, 2018 09:52:31 AM

A mod should step in right now. They have twice given explicitly bigoted edit reasons, made worse because their target isn't even a fiction trans character, but a real person. They should at least get taken aside by a mod and told this is unacceptable.

TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
12th Dec, 2018 10:15:03 AM

Tropers.Okllzoom cut out a large part of the entry without giving an edit reason.

bwburke94 Since: May, 2014
12th Dec, 2018 10:17:03 AM

Cross-Dressing Voices gets weird if either the VA or the character is transgender, because the trope description doesn't account for the possibility.

In the specific example that was removed, the VA identified as female during the entirety of their stint in the role, and the character is female.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
12th Dec, 2018 10:47:23 AM

^ Identified as female or was a closeted trans man during the entirety of the run? Because there's a huge difference there and it's a bit rude to presume.

Also, a little digging indicates that he's been transgender for years, and publicly came out in June so... actually I'm wondering why this is become an issue now?

^^ Okllzoom's edit actually seems fine. Honestly, it's more accurate than my edit (given what I just figured out from Twitter) and he's the one who added the example in the first place. It's simple, to the point, and correct.

v "That user" being catstuxedo, right? Just confirming since another troper had been mentioned.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
12th Dec, 2018 11:29:22 AM

^^ Assuming they weren't the same user.

Though looking at Okllzoom's history that's unlikely, at least, given they predate catstuxedo's suspension.

Edited by sgamer82
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
12th Dec, 2018 12:15:19 PM

I mean again, Okllzoom's trimming was perfectly fine and was the person who justly readded the entry in the first place. It would be a pretty nonsensical falseflag to put the entry in just to delete it with a transphobic edit reason.

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AkibaPurple Since: Sep, 2013
12th Dec, 2018 04:32:52 PM

In light of all of this, I think something should be added to the Crossdressing Voices page itself to indicate it applies to characters whose voice actors come out as Trans during or after a show's run

Edited by AkibaPurple
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