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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Sep 2nd 2010 at 3:52:03 PM

Chopped back Real Life on Too Dumb to Live. Didn't chop it completely, but I really wanted to...

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Oonerspism Sax Machine from Winnipeg
Sax Machine
Sep 2nd 2010 at 6:20:22 PM

I'm working on Planet of Hats right now, but I have a question. There are a ton of Star Trek examples, because Trek is the Trope Codifier. For each example, there are several bullet points underneath it explaining in further detail and listing the times it was subverted. From what I can tell (I've only seen a single episode of Star Trek), a lot of it is good and non-nattery, but there's just so much that any meaning is lost in the noise. Is it acceptable to prune it down and just note that "this is occasionally subverted in the Expanded Universe"?

Edit: By the way, I just excised another impressively long bullet point from Planet of Hats. If any Star Trek fans want to try and make sense of it, it's on the discussion page.

edited 2nd Sep '10 6:27:35 PM by Oonerspism

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Sep 2nd 2010 at 7:22:48 PM

Would moving the Planet of Hats stuff on Star Trek to it's Trivia page be too much?

edited 2nd Sep '10 7:23:03 PM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.
Sep 3rd 2010 at 10:08:43 AM

Second Verse Curse is full of Natter, often of the This Troper variety.

Currently taking a break from the site. See my user page for more information.
Sep 3rd 2010 at 10:40:51 AM

Good news: I cleaned it up some and organized it a little.

Bad news: I now doubt it's tropeability at all. People forgetting lyrics isn't an intrinsic property of a song, and by the bottom of the page it degenerated into "This song has 2 extra lines in one version that are cut out of the remix!!"

edited 3rd Sep '10 10:41:32 AM by Yamikuronue

BTW, I'm a chick.
OldManHoOh It's super effective. from England
It's super effective.
Sep 3rd 2010 at 1:29:37 PM

I think I got the worst of it out, though Ass Pull needs a going-over, just to be sure.

Sep 3rd 2010 at 1:51:33 PM

Periphery Hatedom. I removed a bit of natter from it but there's a lot more to it. Does the Barney And Friends entry really need to be that long?

and that's how Equestria was made!
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3rd 2010 at 2:37:05 PM

No, it doesn't. It also doesn't have it anymore. Neither does the rest of the liveAction TV section. I'm scared to tackle the Film section.sad

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Sep 3rd 2010 at 3:40:25 PM

I nominate Periphery Hatedom for an Example Sectionectomy if it's that much of a pain. I don't see creating a list of things that are seriously hated by a large group of people... Oh wait, that's what The Barney became isn't it? Would a "less than one hundred words per entry" rule be useful?

edited 3rd Sep '10 3:40:42 PM by Deboss

Fight smart, not fair.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3rd 2010 at 3:55:44 PM

^ Impossible to enforce. Unfortuneately. I'd prefer Twitter rules: 140 characters or less.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
KrisMahai Hm?
Hm?
Sep 3rd 2010 at 4:43:36 PM

Archive Binge and Archive Panic need some serious work. Tons of Natter, self-references, and This Tropers. Both of them have a Troper Tales page too, so the self-reference is even more irritating. I'll put work in when I have time, but it'd require a fairly decent amount of work to just define the general examples, as opposed to the specific ones that belong in Troper Tales.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
Sep 3rd 2010 at 6:38:58 PM

I'm beginning to feel that examples such as "Most type_of_media fall into this" are really, really bad. They're not helpful to understanding how the trope was used, and they attract examples as second bullet points, often spilling into third bullet points, when each example should be its own top-level bullet in the first place. Almost every page I've cleaned up has had one of those that spiraled out of control.

BTW, I'm a chick.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Sep 3rd 2010 at 6:55:43 PM

^ Those should be deleted on sight. They aren't examples, they're blanket statements that add no information whatsoever, and as you say, attract Natter like a spilled soft drink attracts wasps.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
lee4hmz 486-powered rotating Orange Crush Pop-Tart from A shipwreck in the tidal Potomac Relationship Status: Chocolate!
486-powered rotating Orange Crush Pop-Tart
Sep 5th 2010 at 9:18:59 PM

Can someone take a look at WallBangers.Video Games? I read through the page and felt like joining the fight, the Natter was so poisonous. (I didn't, of course.)

While I'm thinking about it, WallBangers.Western Animation has some Creator Bashing going on, specifically Ted Turner. I mean, I know the guy's got dodgy priorities, but linking to a review that makes him sound like Stalin reborn just bugs me.

edited 5th Sep '10 9:20:45 PM by lee4hmz

This space for rent
arks Boiled and Mashed Relationship Status: Mu
Boiled and Mashed
Sep 5th 2010 at 10:34:57 PM

On Good Is Not Nice, one of the examples is The Bible. That one entry has gone through a cycle multiple times where contributors will put down justifying edits with regards to Jesus. Those edits are countered by other edits, which are countered again, until another contributor cuts out the Natter, and brings it back to the base entry, after which the justifying edits start all over again.

Not mentioning Jesus has been tried, but usually when that happens, someone will come along and say "including Jesus" on the next bullet point, which causes the cycle to repeat.

The page is not a Natter magnet. It's just that one entry.

Video Game Census. Please contribute.
Sep 5th 2010 at 11:53:43 PM

^^It was cleaned, but someone just put the natter back on the page.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Sep 6th 2010 at 12:14:20 AM

Well, it's certainly a wallbanger. *sighs* I hate the people who revert clean up.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator from Windy Hill Zone Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator
Sep 6th 2010 at 3:17:53 PM

The entire namespace in general could stand to have a thorough acid bath. I've never seen such sanctimonious whining and bitching and moaning in all of my time being on this site.

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Sep 6th 2010 at 3:41:08 PM

In a Natter Triage sense, is it even worth bothering with Just for Fun and Darth Wiki pages at all? The patient's already dead, and likely to be repeatedly resurrected as an undead Natter Ghoul.

I'd limit serious cleanup activity to the regular trope pages myself. It's a tough enough task without taking on something like cleaning the Augean stables of Wall Banger.

Jet-a-Reeno!
OldManHoOh It's super effective. from England
It's super effective.
Sep 7th 2010 at 9:50:20 AM

I got a little out, but can someone else do a going over of He Panned It, Now He Sucks!?

edited 7th Sep '10 9:50:34 AM by OldManHoOh

AddyThePawnSlayer Caissa's DeathAngel from Glasgow
Caissa's DeathAngel
Sep 7th 2010 at 10:40:23 AM

People are entirely welcome to work on Sugar Wiki, Darth Wiki, etc.

But the words "thankless joyless never ending task" will have seldom seemed more relevant than 30 minutes after you begin. Worth bearing in mind (though stick at it and you have my enormous respect)

Would you kill your best friend, can you save yourself?
Sep 7th 2010 at 11:51:04 AM

Komodin, I cleaned out the Video Games section a few days ago. After an anon tried to put it all back, someone else put my fixes back.

Webcomics is routinely cared for by Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan.

edited 7th Sep '10 11:51:38 AM by Rebochan

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Sep 7th 2010 at 12:31:52 PM

In case that anon's IP wasn't already banned, I made sure of it.

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Sep 7th 2010 at 9:43:30 PM

Way back at the the Planet of Hats question: An 'aversion' is almost always zappable. Instances of where a trope doesn't get used being a uselessly wide field. As you are discovering.

edited 7th Sep '10 9:43:53 PM by FastEddie

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