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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

The thread is for help and feedback on your own suggested edits.

If you want help correcting other people's edits (e.g., if you find a page which seems to have grammar problems but want a second opinion, or you don't feel able to fix it by yourself) then that's off-topic here, but we have a separate Grammar Police cleanup thread that can provide assistance.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#301: Jan 20th 2012 at 5:42:45 PM

[up][up] Couple of additions:

  • First bullet: There should be a comma between "herself" and "too".
  • Second bullet:
    • It should be "any form of life", not "any from of life".
    • The final sentence needs a period.

[up] "Definitely", not "definately".

Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#302: Jan 23rd 2012 at 12:04:59 PM

Thank you for your help. It's good to know I'm improving.

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#303: Jan 31st 2012 at 3:30:08 PM

When you're writting a quote that talks about Alice, like this one: "She is a massive jerkass", and you want to clarify in that quote that said "she" is Alice, you write it like this

"[Alice] is a massive jerkass"

or this?

"She [Alice] is a massive jerkass"

Thanks in advance.

edited 31st Jan '12 3:30:19 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#304: Jan 31st 2012 at 9:23:00 PM

"She (Alice) is a massive jerkass." is grammatically correct - note the use of parenthesis () rather than brackets [] - but just stating "Alice is a massive jerkass." is usually preferable.

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#305: Feb 1st 2012 at 6:37:47 AM

[up][up] For a quote, "[Alice] is a massive jerkass." is correct. The sentence should read correctly even if you were to take the brackets out; the brackets are simply indicating that you changed something from the original form.

If you yourself are writing the phrase, then what Frodo said ([up]) is right.

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#306: Feb 1st 2012 at 12:04:31 PM

To clarify "square brackets" or "[ ]" are used in quotes to add or clarify something that wasn't part of the original sentence (think of them as an annotation that's been put in the middle of the quote).

Normal brackets, or parenthesis, are used to add something to a sentence that you are not quoting.

So; "She [Alice] was..." or "[Alice] was..." (either is technically acceptable as far as I know) would be quoting from someone else saying "She was..." with the square brackets providing some clarification to who the "she" was referring to.

While "She (Alice) was..." or "She, Alice, was..." is just clarifying who they were referring to (generally because the sentence could be talking about more than one "she".

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#307: Feb 1st 2012 at 10:35:31 PM

Hey every people! Just a quick one. This doesn't have anything to do with Space Beasts, but I found an instance of comfort food in the media that isn't in the comfort food article yet

Fraggle Rock:Radish Bars are Comfort Food to Red and Mokey Fraggle they even sing a song about it!

FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#308: Feb 2nd 2012 at 12:03:15 AM

Note the period and start of new sentence between "Fraggle" and "They". Also, "Radish Bars" is not capitolized unless it is a proper noun - for example, if it is a brand name like Coca - Cola or Snickers.

Rockhopper Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
#309: Feb 2nd 2012 at 8:47:24 AM

Oops...I guess I have a problem with capital letters, I'm always putting capitatal letters on things that don't need them.

So...Is the edited version of what I wrote going to be added to the article, I'd do it myself but I can't really do it on account of being suspend

edited 2nd Feb '12 8:52:42 AM by Rockhopper

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#310: Feb 2nd 2012 at 9:00:25 AM

That needs to go on Comfort Food, correct? I can put it there. I just need to know I have the right page.

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#311: Feb 2nd 2012 at 9:23:35 AM

I think you have the right page

edited 2nd Feb '12 9:24:17 AM by Rockhopper

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#312: Feb 2nd 2012 at 9:43:51 AM

Done.

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#314: Feb 2nd 2012 at 7:40:32 PM

Regarding Alice the jerkass, I see that I worded badly that question. Nocturna and Bisected said precisely what I was asking for though, thanks.

Another question: Regarding elipses, which one is the correct way to write them: Dramatic... pause or Dramatic...pause?

edited 2nd Feb '12 7:42:02 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
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#315: Feb 2nd 2012 at 8:40:09 PM

As I recall, if you're using it in a sentence to indicate a pause it's; "Dramatic ... pause", although I've seen "dramatic...pause", "dramatic ...pause" and "dramatic... pause" all used without complaint, so that might just be a style rather than a rule of grammar.

If you end what could be a full sentence with ellipsis to show trailing off it should be followed by punctuation (e.g. "I must trail off...!" "Bisected trailed off...." "Why trail off...?" "Consider trailing off..., it can really add to a sentence." and so on), however if you use it to indicate an unfinished sentence...

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Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#316: Feb 7th 2012 at 12:09:05 PM

  • Superhuman Trafficking: Thanks to the new mind controlling collars Providence is now not only able to capture EVOs, but also use them for various tasks, like collecting crops. They don’t distinguish between sentient and non-sentient ones. Official propaganda says that it’s a method to create “a better future for all EVOs” and help integrate them into the society. Quarry tried to use the same method to create his own personal army.
  • Heinz Hybrid: Ichigo from Bleach, who already was a Half-Human Hybrid, as a result of ghost-human romance. Then he got both hollow and Shinigami powers, which made him into a human/ghost/hollow mix.
  • Half-Breed: Main character of Kemono No Souja Erin is a child of a woman of the Mist People and a Tohda breeding man. Results of such unions are usually called "Akun Meh Chai" ("Child of Impossibilities"), because their parents should have never meet, yet alone fall in love.
  • Fantastic Racism: Through this seems to change and take on more active form now, when Black Knight has taken over the Providence and uses mind controlling collars to “turn an EVO curse into a blessing.” They hunt down every EVO, including sentient ones. The worst part of it? Society seems to be awfully accepting. Through this may be due to an official propaganda.
  • People of Hair Color: Played with in Kemono No Souja Erin. There is a tribe called the Mist People, with green eyes and green hair. Too bad they are also associated with a black magic. Interestingly, their unusual hair color is actually never brought up and these are their eyes, that function as a stigma. Also Je, the First Shin Oh of Ryoza, and her people were known for their golden eyes and blond hair.
  • Hunter of His Own Kind: Rex. His position as a Providence agent , even when he is formally no longer a part of this organization, means that other sentient EVOs are distrustful or even openly hostile towards him.

edited 7th Feb '12 12:35:50 PM by Ciabella

FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#317: Feb 7th 2012 at 12:32:54 PM

Unfortunately, I don't know the franchise(s), so it's a bit hard to say because I'm not sure what some of the words mean, but I'll give it a shot:

  • Superhuman Trafficking: Thanks to the new mind controlling collars, Providence is now not only able to capture EVOs, but also use them for various tasks, like collecting crops. They don’t distinguish between sentient and non-sentient ones. Official propaganda says that it’s a method to create “a better future for all EV Os” and help integrate them into the society. Quarry tried to use the same method to create his own personal army.
  • Heinz Hybrid: Ichigo from Bleach, who already was a Half-Human Hybrid, as a result of ghost-human romance. Then he got both hollow and Shinigami powers, which made him into a human/ghost/hollow mix.
  • Half-Breed: The main character of Kemono No Souja Erin is a child of a woman of the Mist People and a Tohda breeding man. Results of such unions are usually called "Akun Meh Chai" ("Child of Impossibilities"), because their parents should have never meet, yet alone fall in love.
  • Fantastic Racism: Through this seems to change and take on more active form now, when Black Knight has taken over the Providence and uses mind controlling collars to “turn an EVO curse into a blessing.” They hunt down every EVO, including sentient ones. The worst part of it? Society seems to be awfully accepting, though this may be due to an official propaganda.
  • People of Hair Color: Played with in Kemono No Souja Erin. There is a tribe called the Mist People, with green eyes and green hair. Too bad Unfortunately, they are also associated with a black magic. Interestingly, their unusual hair color is actually never brought up and these are it is their eyes''', that function as a stigma. Also Je, the First Shin Oh of Ryoza, and her people were known for their golden eyes and blond hair.
  • Hunter of His Own Kind: Rex. His position as a Providence agent, even when he is formally no longer a part of this organization, means that other sentient EV Os are distrustful or even openly hostile towards him.

edited 7th Feb '12 12:35:44 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

Ciabella Since: Jan, 2011
#318: Feb 7th 2012 at 12:46:56 PM

Providence is an organisation in Generator Rex cartoon and their main goal is to protect normal people from the EVOs. EVOs are people, who got mutated due to an influance of the nanomachines. Some of them became mindless monsters, but some of them still remain sane and can use their new powers as they wish. Shinigami are ghost guardians in the Bleach, whose main task is to send away souls of the dead and protect them from the hollows. Hollows are souls who got twisted and changed into hungry monsters. Tohda are dragonlike creatures used for war.The Shin Oh is a title carried by the queens of the country of Ryoza.The Fantastic Racism point is actually a second bullet point to the same topic and it describes a change in the treatment of the EVOs from passive to more active form, so I think a first sentence in it is actually ok.

edited 7th Feb '12 1:32:04 PM by Ciabella

FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#319: Feb 7th 2012 at 3:46:37 PM

^grammatically, the first sentence of the Fantastic Racism bullet is fine, except for the fact that "though" was misspelled.

However, I'm a little wary of the word "now" because Examples Are Not Recent.

You may want a second opinion before posting, though.

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#320: Feb 16th 2012 at 7:18:43 AM

"Heinz Hybrid: Ichigo from Bleach was already a Half-Human Hybrid, as the result of a ghost-human romance. Then he got both hollow and Shinigami powers, which made him into a human/ghost/hollow mix."

As originally worded the sentence didn't feel quite right ("Ichigo from Bleach, who already was a Half-Human Hybrid, as a result of ghost-human romance") since the commas seemed to be used like brackets to add aditional infomation. But the third part of the sentence follows straight on from the second, rather than the second being an interjection. My second correction just looks neater.

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#321: Feb 18th 2012 at 12:30:24 PM

Or he could just have used brackets. 20% more simple.

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#322: Feb 23rd 2012 at 6:19:52 PM

hello good sirs, could you help a poor venezuelan with his YKTTW?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=zk0xdfemwde02yk3ibkj4dqa

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FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#323: Feb 23rd 2012 at 7:15:28 PM

[up]I tried to make a bit more concise as well as fix the grammatical issues, hope this is OK:


It's the day of the big game, but there's clearly something wrong. Alice, normally one of the best players in the league, is short of breath, running slowly, and clutching her chest. If she keeps playing, she's likely to suffer a Game-Breaking Injury or worse. But without her, her team might loose, she might dissapoint a favorite fan, or she might never get another opportunity to play against her rival Bob. So despite her pain, Alice will play to the bitter end.

Usually, only Alice knows exactly how bad the situation really is, and insists on playing over other characters' objections. In extreme cases, Alice will be shown to love the sport so much she'd rather die playing it than not be able to play.

There's also a darker variant where a coach or other authority figure will force someone to play, completely aware that they will eventually snap, collapse, or die.

Often overlaps with The Determinator, Don't You Dare Pity Me!, Drama-Preserving Handicap, and Ill Boy.

edited 23rd Feb '12 7:34:50 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#324: Feb 23rd 2012 at 7:33:15 PM

[up] The first sentence of the second paragraph should have an apostrophe after "characters" (i.e. "over other characters' objections").

The third paragraph should end "snap or eventually die". (I presume "die" is the intended word there.)

FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#325: Feb 23rd 2012 at 7:35:43 PM

[up]Thanks, fixed. Serves me right for trying to help fix grammar when I'm sleepy.


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