During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Lizzid people!
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Robber Baron
Cut Krauss
Abstain on the Six Feet Under guy due to the music rearrangement making me iffy on music candidates (sans concept albums)
Edited by nwotyzal on Oct 12th 2020 at 3:30:58 AM
I think my issue with this one is it seems like Hatred in song form...there's not much by way of plot, lore, anything but "each night i kill someone, haha."
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Hell, I think the Soulcollector could MAYBE be cut as well. Someone wanna take a look at the ones that survived the purge and see if any should go?
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Lizzid people!
Yeah ultimately not much to it in a narrative sense. The Soulcollector can also go sense there's nothing there narratively. But for the most part, I think the sandbox is fine.
Edited by AustinDR on Oct 12th 2020 at 4:08:43 AM
Gotta concur with Lighty for my read on the song there and I could live without the Soulcollector unless there's something to the story I'm missing.
Goku Black
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
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Like, I'm fine either way on Soulcollector myself.
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Goku Black
What are the lyrics for soulcatcher ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lizzid people!
Yeah, I'm not surprised. Ah well. Still trying to learn what the new guidelines are on music, because I'm really not in here as much as I used to be.
Edited by Stellarvore on Oct 12th 2020 at 6:21:41 AM
Yes to Christie, Hearns, and the Robber Baron.
No to the song protagonist, and cut Kraus and the Soulcollector.
Take care, Bullman.
![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
'd
Edited by Sawkman on Oct 12th 2020 at 7:25:55 AM
Lizzid people!
Scraggle has that reserved and the discussion date is on the October 26th.
Also whilst looking through Higurashi's YMMV page, thought there should be a few changes:
Original:
- The unnamed head of the orphanage the young Miyo Takano was sent to is an ill-tempered authoritarian who punishes a boy for spilling his pen's ink by making him ingest it. When Takano and her friends make an escape attempt for his cruel establishment, he has her friend and the attempt's ringleader, Eriko, sent to the chicken coop to be pecked to death. Takano herself doesn't fare much better, as the head forces her to clean a filthy outhouse with her tongue. Though merely a flashback character, it was the orphanage head's horrific cruelties that broke Takano into becoming the psychotic, villainous woman she is now.
Revised:
- The unnamed head of the orphanage the young Miyo Takano was sent to is an ill-tempered authoritarian who punishes a boy for spilling his pen's ink by making him ingest it. When Takano and her friends make an escape attempt from his cruel establishment, he has her friend and the ringleader, Eriko, sent to the chicken coop to be pecked to death. Takano herself doesn't fare much better, as the head forces her to clean a filthy outhouse with her tongue. Though merely a flashback character, it was the orphanage head's horrific cruelties that broke Takano into becoming the psychotic, villainous woman she is now.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Bad word choices; removing the brackets, etc.
Edited by AustinDR on Oct 12th 2020 at 4:50:38 AM
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What are the changes, and there's a stray bracket pair.
EDIT: Stellarvore, WE'RE still figuring out the new music rules.
Edited by ACW on Oct 12th 2020 at 7:34:06 AM
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Lizzid people!
Aside from concept albums, there was also the consensus that the song should have a narrative (kind of like in the case of people like Lottie).
Goku Black
What's the difference ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lizzid people!
Concept albums typically follow a major theme while regular albums mostly list songs that were produced around the same time.
Goku Black
No I meant in orphanage heads entry ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lizzid people!
Bad word choice primarily (such as how the OG entry has it as "escape for his cruel establishment instead of "from") . Removing the brackets.
Edited by AustinDR on Oct 12th 2020 at 5:19:42 AM
Goku Black
Okay,fair.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Have a cut: Zander Rice from the comics.
Later revealed before he put Laura under surgery without anesthesia, the thing he whispered to her? "For my father."
Cut right away.
Cut Zander.
Also, in defense of the Soulcollector, I'd say that there's at least just a sliver of world-building in the lyrics.
Lizzid people!
