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Edited by nombretomado on Sep 23rd 2019 at 4:42:19 AM

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:46:11 PM

I’ve only taken a look at the trope pages for the two works and noticed they’re somewhat similar. I’ll let others give the proof if they wish to.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
AustinDR He has four arms and the head of a vulture. from Fresh and ready for life.
He has four arms and the head of a vulture.
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:48:07 PM

Similar in that they were both edited by the same user? Don't find it contextual enough, but staying out of this one.

Why you little-!
Tyk5919 Badger in a Nice Suit Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:49:08 PM

Get a mod to look into it for now. This is mostly just skepticism at this point.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:50:36 PM

Yeah, let's not go wild here.

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:52:01 PM

There’s also the suspicion that Ruby and Nora seems to churn as much CMs as possible, judging from the fact that there’s plenty of examples of Moral Event Horizon and the Sociopath.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:52:36 PM

That's not our issue. People can write as they want.

MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:52:45 PM

Yeah. I do admit I would rather keep the R&N page. The Alessia page can burn, but R&N seems to at least have a substantial plot.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Tyk5919 Badger in a Nice Suit Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:54:12 PM

As I said, Draxterrus. Get a mod to look into it. Don't start a needless witch hunt.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Scraggle Musha ring dum a doo dum a da from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Musha ring dum a doo dum a da
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:55:33 PM

We don't need to be hacking every single entry that looks remotely suspect. I'm not even concerned about whether or not Alessa's Fantasies should be on here—if the fic's accessible, whatever. Under the logic we're hacking the examples under, we should technically be cutting Cannibal Ferox for ripping off Cannibal Holocaust.

I know—Ferox had a budget and Alessa's Fantasies is a wimpy little Internet fic that probably took a few hours to write at most. But Tropes does go under the There Is No Such Thing as Notability clause and I think our reasons for hacking this are based on bias and not any actual violation of the rules.

Nobody needs to be cutting anything beyond that, anyway. It's overkill. It's an overreaction. It's certainly not worth getting this worked up about, so I say we make our final decisions on this subject and move on.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:59:59 AM

There's whiskey in the jar-o
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Feb 13th 2020 at 6:59:53 PM

[up]...Actually, you do have a point. Especially since it is YOUR story that is allegedly being plagiarized. Maybe we should all cool down?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from a pet shop near you Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:03:23 PM

I could go either way on the Alessa stuff. It’s not like I'm ever gonna read it anyway, and I agree that we should move on.

Mew.
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:03:49 PM

I'm...inclined to agree, actually. Cut the entries, if only that, but...

It's not worth making a big deal over.

Kylotrope The Perfectionist from Honolulu Hawaii
The Perfectionist
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:07:34 PM

The story seems to be available as a Link exists on the Trope page.

So....Keep them.

Evolution Requires Sacrifice
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:10:34 PM

If Scraggle has no issue just moving on, then neither do I

Bullman Relationship Status: Abstaining
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:11:05 PM

I could go either way on the Alessa stuff. But if it's available and Scraggle doesn't have a problem I might lean keep. But I don't care either way. Also I agree that we shouldn't make a big deal.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 13th 2020 at 9:13:18 AM

MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Feb 13th 2020 at 7:14:13 PM

[up]Leaning keep myself.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Feb 13th 2020 at 8:09:44 PM

[tup] to the Dutchman, Lisbeth, Moriarty, Holda, Meliadus, Morph, Moriarty, and keeping the Alessa's Fantasy entries.

[tdown] to the demon.

I just long for a world in which ordinary things are done in an ordinary way.
G-Editor Chedder BBW Sour Cream Onion = 3 Layer Dip Stack from Honolulu, HI Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Chedder BBW Sour Cream Onion = 3 Layer Dip Stack
Feb 13th 2020 at 8:12:44 PM

[tup] to Moriarty and I could care less about wether the Alessa stuff gets cut or keep. Let’s move on

Chedder BBW Sour Cream Onion = 3 Layer Dip Stack
miraculous Power was sweeter than apples from South Africa
Power was sweeter than apples
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:22:45 PM

[tup]Morph ans Moraiarty

@N: That's because their part of the same collection. Both moriarties are from Gaslight Grotesque.

“Monster was the best, his favorite word. The first half was a kiss, the second a hiss.”
DemonDuckofDoom Keep away from Pumpkinhead from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Keep away from Pumpkinhead
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:43:01 PM

[tup] Moriarty, Holda, Meliadus, Morph and Moriarty

[tdown] Parrot Demon

As for the Alessa entries, I also say keep them. They don't even seem to be ripoffs beyond one name that isn't exactly uncommon, unlwss I'm missing something.

Ongoing Projects
Feb 13th 2020 at 9:55:42 PM

Priscilla Rawlins from One Last Kiss (Fear Street Sagas #14) by Brandon Alexander (as R. L. Stine)

The Books: On the surface, nothing appears to be too out of the ordinary in Shadyside, but beneath the surface is the city's dark secret, Fear Street. Named after the illustrious and allegedly cursed Fear family, the street is seemingly a Weirdness Magnet for all manner of horrors and tragedies of both the mundane and the not so mundane varieties.

Who They Are: In 1714, shortly after the birth of her daughter, Eleanor, Priscilla was fed upon and sired by a vampire in her home village of Shadow Glen, Virginia. Enjoying the power that being a vampire granted her, Priscilla abandoned her husband and daughter, and clawed her way up to becoming the queen of her own colony of vampires after leaving Shadow Glen. Priscilla's husband (who was unaware that Priscilla became a vampire) left Shadow Glen shortly after Priscilla's death, aware that a vampire was responsible, and that vampires (under orders from Priscilla) were now stalking and watching over him and Eleanor. Over the next sixteen years, Priscilla proved to be a glutton, gorging herself on a new victim every night, and murdering "too many to count."

What They Do: Eleanor and her father return to Shadow Glen around 1730, followed by Priscilla. Priscilla took over the manor of the village's resident Fier and vampire, Trevor, who she enslaved, which was easy, since Trevor (real name Richard) was a reluctant vampire who fed only on animals. Trevor begins trying to warn Eleanor's father (who is obsessed with destroying vampires) away from Shadow Glen, and falls in love with Eleanor, who Priscilla promises not to harm in exchange for Trevor's continued obedience. While Eleanor and Trevor are out for a walk one night, Priscilla covertly taunts Eleanor from the shadows, and then confronts her husband, demanding that he join her. When the man refuses, Priscilla gives him an "ironic" death by stabbing him in the chest with a wooden stake, leaving his body for Eleanor to find.

After her father's funeral, Eleanor (who Priscilla intends to sire, now that she is old enough for it) is invited to stay at the Fier Manor by Priscilla. Eleanor eventually discovers that Trevor is a vampire, albeit a benevolent one who wants nothing more than to keep her safe. Noticing that Eleanor and Trevor are attracted to each other, Priscilla pressures them into agreeing to marry, telling Trevor that he can have the honor of siring Eleanor. Trevor plays along with Priscilla, when in reality he wants nothing more than to destroy her and save Eleanor. During a midnight ball, attended by Priscilla's vampire servants, one of the servants, for no apparent reason, kills Priscilla's human driver, Ben, by ripping out his heart, which is left in an oven to cook; one of Priscilla's bored "friends" had earlier told Eleanor that vampires allegedly rip out a heart and cook it as a gesture of love towards their chosen bride or groom. When Eleanor stumbles upon Ben's mutilated body, Trevor is outraged by the murder while Priscilla (who feigns obliviousness and horror) is annoyed by her lackeys acting out, so the two send all of the "guests" away before Priscilla pretends to report Ben's death to the local magistrate.

Priscilla later locates, feeds on, and sires Eleanor's only friend, a girl named Annie Muldoon. The plan is to take away everyone and everything that Eleanor cares about so that the loneliness will drive her to willingly accept and embrace being a vampire when the time comes. Eleanor is forced to kill Annie, who has accepted being a vampire because her old life was so miserable, by exposing her to sunlight, before returning to the Fier Manor. While looking for Trevor, Eleanor is happened upon by Priscilla, and while the two mend a dress together, Priscilla reveals to Eleanor that she is a vampire by leading the girl to notice that she has no reflection. As Priscilla makes a grab for her, Eleanor is whisked away by Trevor, who brings her to the roof of the Fier Manor. Trevor explains that Priscilla is Eleanor's mother, and that she killed Eleanor's father, Annie, and countless others, that she wants Eleanor to join her and be Trevor's bride, and that he is only working with her because it was the only way to ensure that no harm would come to Eleanor.

Priscilla confronts the pair, incapacitates Trevor when he gets in her way, and begins trying to goad Eleanor into joining her willingly, all the while taunting her over the deaths of her father and Annie. Since Trevor has turned on her, Priscilla tries to sire Eleanor herself, but Eleanor knocks her off of the roof, and onto a spiked wrought iron fence, which impales (but does not kill) Priscilla. While Priscilla orders Eleanor to help her, Eleanor ignores her and rushes over to Trevor, who brings her down from the roof and onto the lawn, pursued by a recovering Priscilla. Priscilla stabs Trevor with a piece of wood, and returns to trying to sire Eleanor, informing her that she has killed too many to count and that, soon, Eleanor will do the same. The stake that Priscilla stabbed Trevor with missed his heart, and since Priscilla is still fairly weak from being impaled, he is able to keep her occupied and away from Eleanor until dawn, at which point both he and Priscilla burn away, Eleanor managing to give Trevor one last kiss as he dies.

Heinousness: Fear Street vampires (of which she is quite possibly the worst) have an overwhelming hunger for blood, but they are not Always Chaotic Evil, as shown in both this book and others (the Goodnight Kiss duology, How To Be a Vampire, The Thirst, and Drop Dead Gorgeous). She abandoned her family in favor of acquiring power as a vampire, and is noted to have sired and killed countless, as evidenced by the size of her entourage. When her husband refused to join her, she killed him without mercy and as brutally as possible, and it is implied that she was willing to do the same to Eleanor, since, when Eleanor begins calling her a revolting monster who is no longer her mother, Priscilla sneers, "Watch what you say, Daughter. I have the power to take your blood without returning you to life!" As for why she fed on and sired Annie, as Trevor succinctly explains, "She took away everyone that you [Eleanor] cared about so that the loneliness would drive you to us."

Mitigating Factors: Her affection for her daughter was twisted; she wants to turn her into a monster, is positively gleefully at the idea of Eleanor becoming a killing machine like herself, and, as noted above, implied that she'd be willing to kill her if things did not work out.

She had no apparent fondness for her largely faceless vampire minions; Trevor notes that they have become weak, hungry and disgruntled while Priscilla neglects them to hang around Shadow Glen, and that because of this they will simply scatter and not bother to try and avenge her or do anything else of the sort if she were to die.

miraculous Power was sweeter than apples from South Africa
Power was sweeter than apples
Feb 13th 2020 at 10:17:20 PM

[tup]Priscilla

“Monster was the best, his favorite word. The first half was a kiss, the second a hiss.”
DemonDuckofDoom Keep away from Pumpkinhead from Some Pond in Hell Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Keep away from Pumpkinhead
G-Editor Chedder BBW Sour Cream Onion = 3 Layer Dip Stack from Honolulu, HI Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Chedder BBW Sour Cream Onion = 3 Layer Dip Stack
Tyk5919 Badger in a Nice Suit Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters

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