During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I thought sharks were my friends.
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First, Welcome! Second, please make an Effort Post so we can properly judge the character. Here's a template.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Aug 3rd 2019 at 5:44:38 AM
RIP KissAnime.
Messenger from another dimension.
Still no on Addin but yes to remake Scar. No to KH Scar.
Welcome to the world of greatest media!
On subject of Assassin's creed, i think we probably need to cut Tobias Jeffers.
He is maybe unique in Syndicate but in Unity there is a tanner whom Saint-Just's men forced to make leather from human skin for their master and in Dead Kings DLC there is a tanner who used skins Rose's men to cover books with them.
Now Tobias also has additional crime of selling human flesh to bakery which caused a lot of people to involuntarily commit cannibalism but i'm not it's enough.
Edited by hegelvonaxel on Aug 3rd 2019 at 5:47:52 AM
No to Addin and as for KH!Scar? I think I missed that one and just mentioned I was upvoting "the Scars" since we had a shit load of them coming through. No to that version.
@ACW I think overall Assassin's Creed is a "Historical Sci-Fi Action Thriller" set in a Parallel Earth.
No to the Doom Patrol baddie, Majd Addin, and Wulcer. Switching to a no on KH!Scar.
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Tally for Majd Addin is right here. It's 8-14 for now.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Hmm, yeah, seems Tobias may need to go too.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Abstain on Majd Addin.
Hegelvon: Just to be clear, did they personally kill the people for their skin?
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
As long as the whole "Having several others commit involuntary cannibalism" bit it unique to him, I'd say keep Tobias. Though I can see why others would disagree
Edited by Kylotrope on Aug 3rd 2019 at 6:31:20 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Edited by Kylotrope on Aug 3rd 2019 at 6:30:57 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around here
"The Juice is Loose."
No to Ed. Switching to no on KH!Scar.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I thought sharks were my friends.
Oh, wow. I know Rahgot was already agreed upon, but I just found this and to share it. If anybody had any lingering doubts on Rahgot, this should cement it.
Yup. The actual bodies of the children he murdered. Bethesda was gutsy that day.
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No, I wasn't proposing it, it was just something horrifying that I felt was important to share.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Aug 3rd 2019 at 7:24:03 AM
RIP KissAnime.
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Yummy.
That said, sure to the image.
Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Aug 3rd 2019 at 4:12:26 PM
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
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KH!Scar then. Majd Addin
Would like to see a Sun Hao effortpost.
I thought sharks were my friends.
Maybe crop it so it's just the last two panels.
Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Aug 3rd 2019 at 7:27:05 AM
RIP KissAnime.
Goku Black
I think the last two work fine on their own.
Edited by miraculous on Aug 3rd 2019 at 7:27:54 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
Sure to the Jody/Marie l'Angelle image.
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Kingdom Hearts Scar, Wuncler and Addin
@DelphineTheDelphox and @miraculous: Okay, I tried cropping it. I also removed the WildStorm tag.
I thought sharks were my friends.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to the image.
Morgan Fear. Darren, Ed Wuncler, and I still vote on Majd Addin.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Image works. Please add to the Drafts. Doesn't Jody have a brother? I'm guessing said brother isn't as bad?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Keeping my
Keep Zera: it's been years since I played Grandia II, but that quote sounds more like him not wanting to die than his being repentant.