During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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Hogan, Julian, Klael.
Scraggle: Several murders and an attempted rape...who out-heinouses him?
I still think there has to be a Christopher Lee CM out there SOMEWHERE.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Hogan, Julian, Klael.
So anyone from Happy Death Day worth discussing? Having watched I am personally on the fence but may be swayed by a convincing EP.
I must say, if anything, the villain is REMARKABLY petty.
Goku Black
How does killing somone in a time loop over and over again in different ways even work. Does it count as just one murder or multiple.
edited 27th Oct '17 3:39:54 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
@98161 So who else in that club of people not expected to be a CM?
The weird thing for me is establishing the loop. Is the killer a Reality Warper that can control time?
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
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She killed more than one person though. Tree was just her most frequent victim but yeah I am not exactly sure how that measures in terms of heniousness myself.
edited 27th Oct '17 3:48:33 AM by username2527
Exactly. Setting a Serial Killer on the loose to cover your tracks is pretty nuts too. With a proper EP, I think I know where I'll vote with this.
On a Groundhog Day type loop, your brain (if you're the killer) experiences murdering the victim multiple times in that loop.
edited 27th Oct '17 3:54:03 AM by k410ren
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
If you remember between loops, that is. From what I read, there's no evidence she was causing the loops or that she knew about them.
Jesus, Julian, oh my god. May seem weird that this guy got under my skin, but jeez.
Yeah she didn't know about the loops nor had anything to do with them. The film never really explains why the loops keep happening, Tree just apparently has this super power where she can subconciously keep reversing her own death.
Goku Black
She would count easily if she was actually creating the Ground Hog Day loop or aware of it but since it is tree. I don't know as I lean yes but my previous question about the heinousness of how that is judged needs to be answered first.
edited 27th Oct '17 5:37:42 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
to Dja'Lang, James Compton, Colonel Tom Hogan, Julian Michaels and Klael.
Julian Michaels and Klael.
@ACW: Nobody out-heinouses him. He fails the baseline standard.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Eh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. For that genre anyway.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Dja'Lang, James Compton, Colonel Tom Hogan, Julian Michaels and Klael.
@miraculous: If the killer is unaware of the loop then I wouldn't count them as multiple murders if they kill the same person over and over. Its not really multiple crimes, just the same one. Groundhog Day Loops don't really increase heinousness.
Yea on Julian.
On Happy Death Day... no, nobody counts. Joseph Tombs doesn't clear the standard with what we see, and apparent nice girl Lori, Tree's killer, is indeed a petty, jealous piece of work, but she fails the heinous standard hard. The "multiple loops" thing kills any chance of her building a substantial rapsheet.
edited 27th Oct '17 8:28:23 AM by Scraggle
Goku Black
Yeah weirdly if she knew about it then that would be a different story but since she does not then she is a no.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
It's been quite a while since her part in the story of Questionable Content was concluded, so allow me to ask:
Has Corpse Witch been examined? She's the first and so far only truly evil character in the comic, and while she seems to be providing for the robots in her care, she's more interested in keeping the fighting rings open and making money from it.
Goku Black
We will get to her eventually. If you want you can effort-post her. But that cant be me as Im already busy checking out Dr crombell, Maduke and Dr Aris from another webcomic called Noblesse. Each should count easily but I just need to wait for there arc's to finish or to reread the finished one for Maduke.
As well as preparing hopeful effort-posts on Satan Egos and Yamato Takeru. Each should be an easy keep as Satan Egos is a sinister cult leader who forcefully mutates people to be his monsters, unleashes natural disasters, and grows massive to destroy the whole of Japan in the finale. While Yamato is a 2000 year old body jacker who forcefully overrides his personality to take over the body of his descendants, eats the souls of his minions and killed his own brother as well as trying to rape his niece. There such lovely fellows.
edited 27th Oct '17 10:10:29 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lori kills more than just Tree though. She has a body count of five people to be exact: Tree multiple times, Nick, Danielle, Gregory and a police officer. And she set Joseph Tombs loose making her indirectly responsible for his murders too.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Yeah, but it's a groundhog loop thing. I don't think that counts either way.
Julian Michaels, Colonel Tom Hogan and Klael.
Scrags, you voted on Julian twice. 
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I see how you are. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
edited 27th Oct '17 10:28:54 AM by Tyk5919
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Yea to Julian. Think I forgot to vote on him there.
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Klael. That was a really easy keep as he sounds like a creepy stalker like Frollo rather than actually being in love with her.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."