During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Smasher's write up for the game is more a formality than anything, as his main entry is on the page for the tabletop game itself. In hindsight, there's really not much point in expanding it.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
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to the Joker video, Professor Green, the Lord Raith quote, the Ethniu quote, Doctor Livingstill, General Yamazaki, Priest Unryu, Lloyd Hansen, the Iago edit, and the King Runeard expansion. Keep Amon Goeth.
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to Daniel Kon and the Fomor Lord.
@Lightysnake: Sorry that you haven't been feeling well. Best wishes that things get better for you soon.
Keep Goeth. Hope you feel better soon, Lighty.
Keep Goeth
So I think we might need to make a cut
- WARP by Eoin Colfer:The Hangman's Revolution:Colonel Clayton Box is a former FBI agent who killed his best friend as a young boy just to see if he could. Taking advantage of the timestream to go back and establish the Boxite Empire, Box uses brainwashing, murder and torture, creating a force that tears apart the world, killing millions and torturing and "reeducating" many others. When Riley and Chevie try to stop him, Box intends on forcing the world to submit by gaining access to a set of ballistic missiles, intending on leveling major European cities with no heed of civilian casualties.
Here's his original EP: here.
I've had reservations about Box for a while, now that I got around to rereading WARP I think Box does genuinely love his mother.
Near the end Chevie hits one of his minions with a vase, which turns out to be his mother's urn. When Box sees this he's not just outraged, he's saddened. The book says it's the first time he's felt sad or cried since he was a baby, that Box himself is surprised by the outburst. He wonders why he cares since those ashes weren't his actual mother, but he admits he does care.
Yes, Box does earlier think he loved his mom because he came from her, but this outburst seems like genuine care from an otherwise completely stoic sociopath. I think he does love her.
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Imperfect Disgrace
Runeard expansion.
Keep Goeth.
Just an empty void…
Goes without saying, but to keeping Goeth, I like the Iago fix and I agree with the Runeard expansion too.
Yeah, while I also won't name the Troper, this does indeed look to be an accident. They should've let the Tropers in question—including Lighty—know first though or to just adjust the dates without changing or losing the reservations.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Aug 6th 2022 at 8:39:29 AM
Imperfect Disgrace
Yeah, Runeard just keeps getting worse and worse. It makes me wonder if there's going to be a new tie-in novel that makes his attempted genocide on the Northuldra explicitly clear…
Just an empty void…
A bee, a beetle and a moth
The Conspirators. Having watched the Live A Live playthroughs, I agree that they count.
to EpicLloyd Hansen
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I too think it was an accident. While it wasn't me this time, I tend to delete stuff that's past the date.
Edited by ACW on Aug 6th 2022 at 6:50:56 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsAnyone have anything to say on Box?
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Seems like a possible cut.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Brazillian Dog!
Keep Goeth
What about that video of Vecna: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exkNyQ3IMN4
Kirby is shaped like a friend
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for Asimov from Luminous Avenger iX
Goku Black
Not showing for me?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I got nothing either
Showtime!
You have to delete everything after regicide.png in the address bar
to the image, btw
Looking forward to Vindicator’s EP if you ever decide to EP Supernova Lore (I was able to get a pair from show Solar Opposites to count ) and feel better Lighty
Edited by G-Editor on Aug 6th 2022 at 9:40:15 AM
Didn't Supernova also felt big grief over losing her baby?
to that image after fixing the url
Still would like a discussion on Box
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
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I would say cut Box unless someone can provide a good argument why this is not mitigating.
I'm feeling a cut for Box with the info given. It sounds like he's mostly a sociopath just curious he feels a closeness to anyone but the narrative saying there's a look of not only rage but also sadness when her urn is smashed leads me to think they're indicating he's got genuine feeling towards her, even if he himself doesn't understand it.
I would focus on Box's own narration. From what I recall, he makes clear his only care for his mother is producing him. It's been ages and I don't have the book at hand, but I'd like that thoroughly addressed.
Lloyd Hansen
Smasher good there Lore? Lighty's needs a break but I'm sure he wouldn't care if you throw in a relevant crime (Idk the work) community thread and all.