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KhaiPhan2000 from Canada Wasteland Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#23601: May 16th 2021 at 8:43:30 AM

Again. Sorry for the late because I was busier with some stuffs in real-life. And the reason that I forgot to explain the context of Jerkass in Technopriest page. And when will I get to edit again?

Guckerman Since: Sep, 2019
#23602: May 16th 2021 at 8:56:24 AM

The moderators have responded to everyone but me. What’s the hold up? I at least should get an update on what I need to do get editing rights again.

Edited by Guckerman on May 16th 2021 at 11:49:25 AM

PrincessPandaTrope #BoomSilverTheVampire4Lyfe from Up and Down and All Around Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: In love with love
#BoomSilverTheVampire4Lyfe
#23603: May 16th 2021 at 11:23:22 AM

It's been a month. Should be edit suspension be lifted?

Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.
RyCyber Since: Jun, 2014
#23604: May 16th 2021 at 12:04:04 PM

Forenperser suspended me just because he put the super speed trope under a Flash character who doesn't have it. Reason: It's teleportation not super speed. And here's the proof: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNxthdBswg9/?igshid=tv09abbewwtd

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23605: May 16th 2021 at 12:06:27 PM

~RyCyber: We've had enough of you. You profess to understand the Edit War rules and then you do it again. You've used up all your chances. Take a hike.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
RyCyber Since: Jun, 2014
#23606: May 16th 2021 at 12:11:54 PM

~Fighteer. I was about to make a post after he changed it back before I got banned. Are you kidding me? It barely escalated. It's not my fault the guy's an egomaniac!

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#23607: May 16th 2021 at 12:14:08 PM

I think there is only one quote that is appropriate for this situation.

"You are fired! (No, not you test subject, you're doing fine.) Yes, you. Box your stuff. Out the door. Parking lot. Car. Goodbye!"

Edited by Fighteer on May 16th 2021 at 3:14:25 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23608: May 16th 2021 at 2:05:57 PM

Alright, ~PrincessPandaTrope, you're set to go. Please use this chance wisely.

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SuperEquality07 Since: Feb, 2015
#23609: May 16th 2021 at 10:21:41 PM

I was banned back in November 2019 for changing One-One's pronouns on the Infinity Train pages from "they/them" to "he/him" because not only were "he/him" One-One's correct pronouns, but at the time I felt that "they/them" were incorrect pronouns for one individual.

I no longer feel that "they/them" pronouns are incorrect and would like to be unbanned.

Edited by SuperEquality07 on May 16th 2021 at 12:25:37 PM

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23610: May 17th 2021 at 1:05:46 AM

~Khai Phan 2000: Look, you have already been told that the problem isn't the lack of sources, but that you aren't properly explaining how your examples apply and the poor grammar.


~Guckerman: The problem is that this is the second time you were suspended for the exact same issue. We generally do not give third chances, and your replies here are rather basic which makes me wonder if you truly understand what the problem is.
~Super Equality 07: Aye, that kind of edit and edit reason ("It saddens me that people fail to realize that there are no gender identities beyond male and female.") you did on Funny.Infinity Train was super unacceptable, as was the behaviours and review ("Steven Universe is not a cartoon — it's lesbian propaganda. ") discussed here.

According to the notes on your account, you were supposed to be banned completely for this sort of thing. Bluntly speaking, unless you have completely walked back these earlier statements you won't be readmitted - this kind of homo-/genderfluid-phobia isn't wanted here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Guckerman Since: Sep, 2019
#23611: May 17th 2021 at 4:10:18 AM

Yes, I’m aware that going off on tangents in certain sections does not look good on my part, and I was simply oblivious that spaces were not allowed when inserting Wiki Words. But I still believe that I deserve another chance because of how minor these offenses were in their own right (I could’ve been a major troll or hacker instead).

Luppercus ¿Que pasó que pasó vamos 'ay? from Halloweentown Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
¿Que pasó que pasó vamos 'ay?
#23612: May 17th 2021 at 10:55:57 AM

Hi, apparently I was suspended, no idea why. I'm wondering if is temporal or do I have to request be de-suspended. Thanks.

Edit: It seems that my mistake was be unaware of recent changes in trope launch guidelines. In order to not repeat myself I leave the link of the discussion here. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13544789560A75740100&page=401

Edited by Luppercus on May 17th 2021 at 3:38:41 PM

Chrononaut70 Since: Dec, 2020
#23613: May 17th 2021 at 1:06:05 PM

Mods, if you're reading this message then I have already made a post two days ago, where I detailed the basic rules of the Trope Launch Pad. I've already answered Berrenta's question about the rules and I would like to regain my TLP privileges again, please.

Edited by Chrononaut70 on May 17th 2021 at 1:06:21 AM

SuperEquality07 Since: Feb, 2015
#23614: May 17th 2021 at 1:42:35 PM

~Septimus Heap: I no longer think gender identities like "gender questioning" and "genderfluid" are incorrect.

In November 2019, I was still new to the concept of gender identities that weren't strictly male or female and so I wrote them off as nonsensical at the time.

But a year and change later as these identities have become more widespread, I've realized that these are proper gender identities and have come to accept them.

jessicadicicco610 Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#23615: May 17th 2021 at 4:00:23 PM

If there's 3 things to take away from this, it's with how I should read up more on what specific tropes are (some tropes I mentioned for The Loud House in Oddball In The Series are better suited to Early Installment Weirdness) , be clearer with what I want to talk about (I often type up a large amount of words in one sitting when trying to get my point across, meaning I often miss when I make a grammatical error or some other language oddity) , and not resort to bringing back edits I made just because they get cleared up by someone else (it helps to show that someone who's more knowledgeable on certain tropes wants to keep the integrity of the page intact) . Would I be able to edit again?

redandready45 Since: Mar, 2014
#23616: May 18th 2021 at 1:58:54 PM

@Septimus Heap

I've decided to use Microsoft Word to type out my additions before I post them. Since then, my editing and grammar have improved considerably.

My last few posts on the Get Help With English Thread have received very few corrections by those who have read them. There was also one post I made that didn't need any editing for grammar mistakes.

If my editing rights are restored, I pledge to edit and properly scrutinize my work going forward.

RebelFalcon ULTRANumb from ... (Private)
#23617: May 18th 2021 at 2:09:20 PM

I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but can I ask why I was suspended from editing?

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!
Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23618: May 18th 2021 at 5:34:28 PM

~Rebel Falcon, this is indeed the place.

As for why you're here, it looks like you were edit warring in MisaimedFandom.RWBY.

Edited by Berrenta on May 18th 2021 at 7:34:47 AM

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RebelFalcon ULTRANumb from ... (Private)
#23619: May 18th 2021 at 6:00:09 PM

I was trying to prevent an Edit War from occuring there. Renault kept adding examples of Trope Misuse that were more accurately Draco in Leather Pants and Character Derailment, even removing a legitimate entry the first time. Each time, I warned them that it was Trope Misuse and that if they attempted something similar they'd be instigating an Edit War, and that I would bring thr issue to the attention of the mods if this persisted.

Vegeta: I'm back bitches!
crazysamaritan MOD NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#23620: May 18th 2021 at 8:57:21 PM

~Luppercus — Yep, Administrivia/ is supposed to index all the rules of the site, and Administrivia.TLP Guidelines is one such page. Can you summarize what a Stealth Launch is from that article?

~Chrononaut 70 — Alright, since this is the second time for a TLP-related suspension, we will enforce your staying away from TLP for only one more month. If you post a request for release here after the 15th of June, we will honour it then.

~Guckerman — You could have been a hacker, in which case you'd have been bounced (a more severe form of suspension that is more permanent than what you have now) and would need to use the Contact Form in order to get un-bounced. You could have been a troll, but instead you're a vandal; inserting random comments into examples, putting trope examples in the wrong places, and failing to make proper links. As a vandal (just like a troll), other people have to clean up your mess. To prevent you from making a mess in the first place, the moderation has to suspend you.

~jessicadicicco610 — In 2019, you had promised not to Edit War again, and this not long after an unrelated suspension. This makes us reluctant to give you a third chance (technically fourth).

~redandready45 — We're talking about it internally, but you're right that your most recent posts have needed very few corrections.

~Rebel Falcon — You had created the subpage, probably by bringing over previous edits but it might have been all your edits (it doesn't matter). You then re-instate that version of an example involving Volume 7 and General Ironwood, removing other editor's contributions. And again removed, and again removed. You were already crossing the line established by Edit War with the second link, yet you persisted. This makes it seem like you feel that you have final say over which examples can exist on the page. You don't cite any threads or discussion queries where consensus was achieved. Because you crossed the line and didn't have wiki consensus to support your edits, we had to suspend you.


The following tropers are getting their suspensions released:

~jasonbres — That's much better. Remember to put context like that every time and keep an eye on the Example Indentation in Trope Lists rules as well (you currently have 5 notifiers for that issue).

~HBarnill — I got some feedback on your case, and the sentiment was that we should give you a chance to show a better trend of posting/editing. We appreciate that it isn't always easy, but we hope that you can do better.

~Super Equality 07 — That's a decent enough apology. Please keep in mind that if you do relapse into any hate apologia (especially in respect to genders or romantic attraction), you're likely to get permanent suspension without a chance to appeal in this thread.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Luppercus ¿Que pasó que pasó vamos 'ay? from Halloweentown Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
¿Que pasó que pasó vamos 'ay?
#23621: May 18th 2021 at 9:14:29 PM

Sure, it was explainned to me. I have made many launches but my latest was probably more than a year ago, maybe more so, I was unaware of the new rules (not that it excuses it tho, but still).

Don't Launch Any Draft Without Notice: In most cases, you have to publicly state your intent to launch at least 24 hours before launching, so people can voice any last-minute suggestions or concerns. Launching a trope without notice, especially if there are unaddressed issues or unfinished discussion, can get you suspended. This is known as "Stealth Launching" in TLP parlance.

I do understand that in the hypothetical case I make a new TLP I'll have to advertise it with at least 24 hours, and also the ratio of bombs and hats has to be five and is not enough (like before) to have just enough hats.

PD: advertise that I plan to launch the draft with at least 24 hours in case someone has further issues to address.

Edited by Luppercus on May 19th 2021 at 7:19:17 AM

RebelFalcon ULTRANumb from ... (Private)
#23622: May 18th 2021 at 9:36:12 PM

I made the subpage because the YMMV page was getting too long, and made subpages not just for that trope, but several tropes that were all lengthy enough to warrant them.

I "reinstated" the original version because it was blatant Trope Misuse otherwise. Misaimed Fandom is when the audience comes to a different conclusion than what the author intended. The directors commentary and comments from Word of God said that Ironwood was the Villain, and that the protagonists were in the right, which was reflected in the original entry.

Starting in Volume 7 and moving onwards, quite a few people seem to think that General Ironwood is completely in the right for his abandonment of Mantle, citing The Needs of the Many and believing team RWBY to be naïve for trying to save them, or else directing all the blame onto Team RWBY for his actions. Except the entire point is that the abandonment of Mantle wouldn't have been necessary if Ironwood hadn't been neglecting the problem to begin with, that Ironwood has been creating his own problems long before they came along, and that Ironwood's ruthless, dispassionate attitude, refusal to work with anyone, and appeal to overwhelming force above all else has always caused more problems than it solved. And yet, no matter what, unnecessary, self-destructive, or even evil actions he takes, there's still a portion of the fanbase willing to justify them. It eventually reached the point that Miles Luna had to flat out state that Ironwood was meant to be a villain at this point, with his demise at the climax of Volume 8 being a Karmic Death.
And I'd like the record to show that I did not create the majority of this entry. This entry had been originally created by Tropers/Doodler. My only contribution was the add-on that Miles Luna confirmed his death and that it was meant to be a Karmic Death.

Later however, Renault 154 began editing. Their first edit was this add-on:
It gets even worse when Team RWBY actively endangers the world by deciding to repeat Ironwood's plans, only worse "by putting all of Mantle and Atlas's population in Vacuo", with the destruction of Atlas and Mantle, the main providers of "Dust" gone, it could be safely said that thing have gone bad
Not only is this argumentative troping, it has nothing to do with Misaimed Fandom, since it's less about stating people are accusing the characters of that, and more acting like it's the case. Then they added another add-on.
That, and along with the fact of how dissonant the characterization of Ironwood between Volume 7 & 8, proves points of how mishandled the his character was (evacuating Mantle in 7 and attempting to nuke them in 8),
Again, that's not Misaimed Fandom, that's accusations of Character Derailment. Then Renault completely revamped the entry, changing the entire meaning behind it, and making it now be misuse.
Starting in Volume 7 and moving onwards, the majority of the fans think RWBY is completely in the right for betraying Ironwood, citing The Needs of the Many and believing the general to be heartless for trying to take the harder choices, or directing all the blame onto him for his pragmatic choices. Except the entire point is that the abandonment of Mantle wouldn't have been necessary if Ironwood hadn't been undermined by Team RWBY due to them trusting Robyn, disregarding the dangers that Salem can pose (being the only ones knowing she's immortal), along with the sudden drastic shift in character and Stupid Evil actions he takes, a portion of the fanbase became critics (possibly due to how blatantly obvious that it was inconsistent and rushed). It eventually reached the point that Miles Luna had to flat out state that Ironwood was meant to be a villain, despite flaws within the writing has become to easy to see at this point, with his demise at the climax of Volume 8 being a Misplaced Retribution version of a Karmic Death. But, even then, the Volume 7 has it's moments...
The entry is suddenly no longer about Misaimed Fandom, it's a Bias Steamroller about how Ironwood was subjected to Character Derailment, that the fans were mistaken in supporting the protagonists, and that the writers botched Ironwood's character. At this point, it became blatant Trope Misuse, so I removed it as seen here. I had intended to flat out revert it, but I was on my phone and forgot to hit the paste button, hence the second edit requiring I paste it.

That initially seemed to be the end of it, until coolwali added this to the entry:
Others would argue that Ironwood, especially in Volume 7, wasn't like that. For example, Ironwood does work with others and was trusting. He literally trusts Team RWBY instantly and it's them who betray his trust by going to tell Robyn (a character who they never met before). Ironwood still goes along with that. Even being ruthless is debatable given he spares Watts. In addition, Team RWBY doesn't really have a plan beyond "Stop Salem" while Ironwood was actually taking steps to do that. So the naievity aspect to Team RWBY's character is still there.
This entry was argumentative troping if not a justifying edit, while again not being what Misaimed Fandom is, so I removed it as documented here. In this case, coolwali took the matter to the discussion, where they more thoroughly explained their intent. I actually admitted I understood, and even brought the topic up in the forum to get other tropers involved to see if they agreed with what coolwali was proposing. The issue seemed to be handled, with other tropers going there to discuss what could be changed and what could be kept...

And then Renault 154 did something else. Making another addition, again more accurately being an accusation of Character Derailment, but for both Ironwood and Ruby now.
Both Ironwood's and Ruby's characters was assassinated brutally in Volume 8, Ironwood went from his more kind and trusting persona to a villain with very inconsistent writing, Ruby's entire character was more butchered than Ironwood's as she spent nearly half of 8 hiding in the Schnee Manor while all of Mantle was being attacked, and later on does Ironwood's plan but much worse and far more chaotic than his plan
Once again, this is not Misaimed Fandom, so I removed the trope and left a warning to Renault 154 to dissuade them from taking further action so as to not start an Edit War. This time, Renault 154 did take it to the discussion... but hijacked the one with coolwali in the process. Their post simply reiterating their opinion the two were subjected to Character Derailment.

I responded that at this point, Renault154 was reaching levels of vandalism by trying to push their opinion and kept adding entries or changing entries to suit that, and that if they did not stop, I would alert the mods. I would later be messaged by Psyga 315 and was informed they had already decided to alert the mods.
I alerted the mods, since usually when someone is treatening mod action, it most likely had come to a point where mod action is required.
My intent was never to try and police the page, I was merely trying to correct cases of Trope Misuse, under the rationale that if it doesn't follow the trope, it doesn't count. The only reason I took the actions I did was because Renault's edits would have completely altered the meaning of the post, as well as becoming blatant Trope Misuse with the addition of Flame Bait.

Edited by RebelFalcon on May 18th 2021 at 12:40:30 PM

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redandready45 Since: Mar, 2014
#23623: May 18th 2021 at 11:47:12 PM

Since I did make noticeable improvements in my grammar and spelling, does this mean my editing abilities will be restored, as long as the quality of my work does not slip in the future?

Edited by redandready45 on May 18th 2021 at 11:48:09 AM

Dawalk86 Since: Oct, 2011
#23624: May 19th 2021 at 12:16:56 AM

This is about my editing rights being suspended again months ago. I took time off before finally deciding and figuring out just how I was going to respond to this. The contribution I attempted to make on the Nausicaa of The Valley of The Wind, I thought was relevant, but I guess I was wrong and I made a bad judgment, my mistake. I wasn't trying to start any editing wars on any page on this site. I also read about the Zero Example Context page. Now that I know more about that, I'll try to do better when adding to pages. Lastly, I noticed that a few contributions I made to certain pages are no longer available. Why were they deleted while others were kept? If whoever doubts the trope examples that I added to be credible, then one can check for oneself. Get back to me soon, please. Thanks.

Guckerman Since: Sep, 2019

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