This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
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- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Lost in Space
You are wrong about subjectivity being acceptable. We do not care about a program's ratings or its critical reception in the main article, as those have nothing to do with the tropes it contains examples of.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Crud, I meant to say "aren't" meant to be subjective, not "are". Sorry.
Sorry about the nattering. Won't happen again.
"Men are still good. We fight, we kill, we betray one another, but we can rebuild. We can do better. We will. We have to." - Bruce Wayne
I recently created a Laconic page for Sonic Shuffle, and typed it had no chance. I also added Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch to Dude, What Would Happen?. For some reason, these were made out a complaints and I got suspended :(. I thought that it was unjust, so I would really like to edit again.
edited 9th Feb '12 7:23:00 AM by funkymonkey1318
Lost in Space
IM Boring: My apologies for misunderstanding your post. The note on your suspension reads "Carelessly pulling valid material in pursuit of other objectives." What I get from the edit history on the Cartoon Network page is that you're trying to remove subjectivity in some places but add it in other places — in short, edit warring for a personal viewpoint. That's not something we like to see. Article descriptions need to be factual and not based on someone's opinion.
upupandaway42: Your note reads "Edit warring, restoration of an all blue that had been repaired." I can't find that event in the history, though, which is why I'm trying to get Eddie to verify what he meant. Please be patient.
funkymonkey1318: What I see is that you have been doing a lot of Complaining about stuff. That's not what the wiki is for and if you're here just to tell us about all the stuff you hate, you're in the wrong place. We're fans of things here, not haters. We don't call things So Bad, It's Good without justification and we don't add Take That! Pot Holes like Obvious Beta to laconics. That's not kosher.
edited 9th Feb '12 8:28:17 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
upupandaway42's edit war was on Super Hero Origin. Not sure why it's not showing up in his edit list but the history is here.
Lost in Space
Ah, I see. I think the mod revert function messes with the edit history. What happened, upupandaway42, is that you reverted someone who was properly removing the All Blue Entry mess that was the page quote. Thus, an Edit War and one against policy, to boot.
edited 9th Feb '12 9:00:41 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Bugger, I'm really sorry about that. I screwed up, I admit it. I'd forgotten that edit, didn't realise it was bad at the time and I should have done. At least I now understand why I've been banned. If I was please given a second chance, I promise I wouldn't do anything like that again.
"Men are still good. We fight, we kill, we betray one another, but we can rebuild. We can do better. We will. We have to." - Bruce Wayne
Lost in Space
Okay, you're restored. Just be careful to discuss edits that someone has reverted.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Well, now I understand why I've been suspended. If I can edit again, I'll be sure not to add stuff without justification.
edited 10th Feb '12 1:27:03 PM by funkymonkey1318
Tired forever.
May I know what I've done wrong?
What is this "sleep" you speak of?
The line over the edit reason box reads:
"Relatedly, this is quite possibly the most douchily-written page I've ever read." is rude and not cool. Can you tone down the edit reasons in the future?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Tired forever.
Of course. I'm terribly sorry, I'm not usually that much of an jerk but some aspects of the article brought back a few unpleasant memories regarding someone I knew and I let my irritation get the best of me, which was an incredibly stupid and immature thing to do. I'll strive to be more polite in the future.
What is this "sleep" you speak of?
Apology accepted. We all have our moments, but that doesn't mean we can lash out at people because of them. Just keep it in mind in the future. I'm going to unsuspended you now.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Classless Classy Gentleman
I was recently Edit Banned for hostile behavior towards a fellow troper. I was wrong in that regard, and am sincerely sorry. I would like to edit again, if you would let me.
edited 14th Feb '12 12:22:13 PM by GoldenFootballPlayer
All right, you're free to go. Don't take your stress out on other tropers.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Lost in Space
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, funkymonkey. I'm still not entirely convinced that you get that the wiki is not for Complaining. "Justification" for something like So Bad, It's Good means more than "long-winded diatribe about why X sucks"; it requires that there be some evidence of how a work is received in the world at large. It can't be just your opinion. We are also not here to be proxies for fandom wars.
Please post to acknowledge this and I'll lift your restrictions.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
OK, I acknowledge about my bad English (it's on my contributor's page indeed) but is so serious not using caps on "I" so to not make this troper seems so arrogant to himself?. anyone with better experience on the English language than me can correct those details if required, but the contribution is there (or in that case, was) is my level on English language so low that an edition is (or was) not possible?.
If necessary, i will edit Spanish only pages (IDK if you have that kind of restrictions), but if the spelling is not the main (and, I believe, only) reason for the editing suspension then I'm confused about the TV Tropes staff, at least from Fast Eddie and blackcat.
If you read the reasons to edit a post, you will find something like, and quote: "I don't give a hooty about serious or not. Person can't find their shift key? Who needs them?" it is rude, not cool at all at less, the edit referring it was serious (and I allowed a civil way to talk about it if someone found a problem with that entry) and it could be handled much better ("please correct the grammar of this entry or it will be deleted" on a PM or any other medium would be a better answer IMO)
I'm not angry about the entry being deleted (I was, but just cause I didn't receive a valid justification of that action until The Other Steve did it), but the way treated to my case wasn't the best, maybe I did a bad procedure too but I didn't lose my cool, not even on MP with Golden Football Player (I can show you those MP if you please), not even now posting this.
So I consider and hope that "you're being rude or uncivil" or "you're making bizarre edit reasons" or "you're raising complaints in an aggrieved fashion" is definitively not the reason behind this editing suspension and that "being cool and not rude" isn't a rule that doesn't apply to non-standard tropers either.
Also, I did receive the editing suspension, but not a reason for that suspension, not even on MP or e-mail, luckily it was my handler the affected one cause I couldn't see "Ask the Tropers" under my handler neither, to follow the thread there (and where I knew at least who could suspend me and maybe why).
Well, to resume: sorry for my bad English, I hope it was that only 'cause I didn't receive a clearer explanation of what caused the suspension, my situation could be better (even without requiring the suspension) and I'd like to write again, with language restrictions if you please, also sorry for the wall of text on this post.
edited 15th Feb '12 12:32:36 PM by CasatodoTotal
Lost in Space
Casatodo, your post above contains lots of grammatical English mistakes that fully justify your suspension. So as not to get bogged down in a debate, here are the basics:
- Suspension is a tool to (a) prevent further damage to the Wiki, (b) get you to come talk to us. It is not a punishment unless you force us to make it one.
- While we may choose to PM people prior to or upon suspending them, it is not required. PM's can get ignored. Suspensions cannot.
- Poor grammar is, in and of itself, reason to suspend. Your contribution is not as valuable as the time wasted by other tropers cleaning up your errors.
These matters are not up for debate and you'd do well to discuss the reasons for your suspension, rather than Rules Lawyer us about our methods.
As for your writing, this is primarily an English wiki. We'd hope that you'd see that the majority of it is written in grammatical English and consider whether you are able to write up to our standards before editing. You would of course be welcome to assist in the translation efforts.
The only way to get your suspension lifted is to demonstrate that you can meet our standard. This forum thread is a place you can go to get other tropers to check your work and give recommendations. If you are willing to run all your edits through that thread until you feel comfortable that you don't need it any more, we can let you edit again.
If you continue writing poorly after this, your suspension will be reinstated and it will be permanent.
edited 15th Feb '12 12:42:47 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
As I stated before the suspension, I'm willing to make this site a better site, if that involves getting revisions before any edit gets in place, I'll gladly do it :P
edited 15th Feb '12 1:09:57 PM by CasatodoTotal
On account of being a total noob, I managed to get myself banned. And I only just worked out how to get here. Basically, I suck at internets, but I can learn. Please consider un-banning me.
Lost in Space
Casatodo Total: I will lift your suspension on condition that you use the English help thread for edits. If you get reported again for the same behavior, that's it, no more chances.
gekoladie: What I see here is a very bad tendency to engage in Conversation In The Main Page — in short, to treat the wiki articles as a discussion board. That's not acceptable. Please read that article and confirm that you've done so.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Obsolete Belkan Knight
I want to ask about the motive of my suspension. I'm councsious i've done some inaccurate editings on Blood that Flows but i've dited those to fit the criteria of the tropes referenced as also accepted reccomendations about how to word the adds properly. I also made most of my recent editions based on canon material.
My guess is that i posted some of that stuff without waiting the full 19 minutes of my Edit lock, which i need to apologize for since a couple of times i pressed the button by accident before the waiting time expired and a few more i edited stuff in a rush before leaving the computer.
I would like to edit again but if i must undergo suspension i would like to know the reasons. Thanks for your attention.
edited 15th Feb '12 6:04:26 PM by Akiyoshi
May 29 2010 - May 29 2012 IT'S HERE! HAPPY 2nd WORFDAY SIGNUM!! Let's party xD!
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Alright, 1: you were banned for an "Edit War on YMMV.Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha Force" by Fighteer, so he'll get back to you on that;
and 2: The 20 minute clock is the time that the article is locked when you're editing it. That means that no one else can try to edit it during that time. This is because if we didn't have that, two or more people would sometimes try to edit the same parts of the same article and I'm sure anyone can see why that's a problem. You're certainly not supposed to wait 'till the clock's done its ticking; as soon as your edit if finished, check the preview ans save it if it's good.
edited 15th Feb '12 6:25:11 PM by BestOf
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
I got edit-banned for a year because I deleted a section in the Cartoon Network main page. However, I'm still confused as to why this was considered valid material.
Here is the section I'm talking about:
[QUOTE]Around the mid-2000's, the network began to incorporate live action shows as it attempted to compete with other "kid's" channels, such as Nickelodeon and the Disney Channel. A number of animated originals as well as the Toonami and Miguzi blocks were cancelled or ended, only to be replaced by a number of live action programs, which came to a head when CN Real, a block of live-action reality shows and scripted series, was created. This block was cancelled shortly after its creation, as low ratings and a huge backlash from the animation community and older fans prompted a return to the network's signature "cartoon" programming.[/QUOTE]
And here's the part of it that I was having issues with:
[QUOTE]This block was cancelled shortly after its creation, [B]as low ratings and a huge backlash from the animation community and older fans[/B] prompted a return to the network's signature "cartoon" programming.[/QUOTE]
I thought that articles are supposed to be subjective. I don't understand why saying this block was canceled because older CN fans hated it when it was only the low ratings that made it kaput. I just want to know how this part is valid material for future reference so that I can be cautious.