This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Alright, your suspension is released. Best of luck.
mr3urious
~nombretomado, so does that mean I should group the examples for both BMW and BASF in the same bullet point, or remove the "similarly" from the BASF example?
You should remove the "similarly", because we do not want references to other examples within an example text (what happens if that other examples get removed? It will leave that "similarly" orphaned).
Not quite. If you notice on Lucky Translation, a work, when it has multiple examples, has each example as its own sub-bullet, i.e.:
- Urusei Yatsura:
- In episode 87, the principal makes a pun on "'nikui" (hatred) and "niku" (meat). AnimEigo's subtitles rendered it as "I've got a beef with you, seeing you hide that meat in your pocket."
- The chapter / episode introducing Kotatsu-Neko (manga chapter 111, anime episode 51) is titled "Kaidan ni Neko ga Onnen", which literally means "There's a Cat on the Stairs", but "kaidan" written as 怪談 means "ghost story" (as mentioned above), and "onnen" written as 怨念 can mean something like "a grudge that persists after someone's death, turning them into a ghost". Viz translated it as "Two-Story Ghost Story", whereas AnimEigo didn't try to translate the puns.
Now, the example you added isn't for a work, exactly, it's for a company. Let's say the company is the work. If BMW had multiple examples, then you would format it like this:
- BMW:
- Example A about the name BMW
- Example B about one of the cars they make.
Your example is about an entirely separate company, BASF, which just happens to have a similar "luck" in their translation. However, that similarity isn't a reason to group them together. You should have it as its own write-up, on its own bullet.
- BMW:
- Example A
- Example B
- BASF
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 18th 2019 at 11:56:56 AM
mr3urious
~nombretomado, Ah, I get it now. Maybe I could even bullet point it as "Two examples from German companies:" or something like that. Just something I thought of right off my head. 
Edited by mr3urious on Aug 18th 2019 at 10:57:36 AM
That wouldn't be quite right, because it's not the same creator/media (manufacturer, in this case). That is the only way to group things together.
Are we clear? You can always ask for assistance in Ask the Tropers or the forums.
mr3urious
~nombretomado, I see now. Separate bullet points for each.
Good. Your suspension is released as well.
It appears that I was suspended for a few edits that I recently made on the X-Men sub-page for Common Knowledge. With all due respect, I think there may be a slight misunderstanding.
The page's examples were split into multiple folders some time ago, and one of the folders was filled entirely with examples that (in my opinion) were highly questionable, and didn't fit the definition of the trope; nearly all of the examples in that folder also violated proper Example Indentation.
I personally felt that the folders needlessly complicated the layout of the page and made browsing less intuitive, so I noted that in my "Edit Reason" when I removed them. I also explained why I didn't feel that the examples under the folder in question (labeled "Wider Marvel Universe") were valid examples, and why I felt that they had formatting problems.
Later, when I saw that the folders and the "Wider Marvel Universe" examples had been added back without any "Edit Reason" given, I removed them again, and noted that I was perfectly willing to talk over any disagreements on the Discussion page with the user who added them back without giving a reason. (The other user also added one of the folders back twice, so I felt that I had to delete the duplicated entries.)
Later, the other user contacted me about the edits via personal message. In my response, I explained my reasons for editing the page, and the other user agreed that they would permit my edits to remain. Then a few hours later, I saw that I'd been suspended.
Just to be clear:
I never intended to start an Edit War by restoring those edits that I made; I just got the impression that the other user didn't see my reasons for editing the page, since they removed my edits without giving a reason of their own. I thought I was following proper procedure by inviting them to the Discussion page—and as I said, we civilly talked our disagreements over via personal message just after I extended that invitation.
I didn't use the page to conduct an argument; other than inviting the other user to the Discussion page, my only comment was "See previous note".
(And just to reiterate: one of the edits that I made was only to remove entries that had been added twice; it wasn't just because I disagreed with them.)
If I behaved inappropriately, I sincerely apologize. But I'm a bit confused about how I violated the site's rules.
If I'm misunderstanding the reasons behind my suspension, please don't hesitate to explain them to me. I'm more than willing to listen.
Edited by TheMightyHeptagon on Aug 18th 2019 at 3:52:31 PM
~TheMightyHeptagon, it seems clear enough to me you don't have bad intentions here, but the order of events is slightly askew to our rules. Per Edit War, the third edit in a pattern (add-remove-add or remove-add-remove) constitutes an edit war. Instead of inviting the other troper to discuss on the edit reason of the third edit, you should have simply invited them to the discussion page without making the third edit.
I do see that you have been here before for edit-warring, so I'm not sure where the miscommunication landed for this to happen again.
I understand, and I apologize.
The last time that I got into an Edit War, the circumstances were very different; another user removed one of my edits, and gave a reason that I personally found questionable. I acknowledge that I was wrong for arguing with the other user instead of taking my disagreement to the discussion page, and I apologized at the time.
This time, there were no reasons given—and it wasn't just one of my edits that was removed, but several of them. I made multiple edits for a variety of independent and unrelated reasons, and I explained my reasons for removing all of the entries that I removed. The other user removed all of those edits in one fell swoop, and didn't give a reason for any of them. As I said, that made it look like a simple misunderstanding rather than a disagreement; I got the impression that the other user didn't realize why I had made the changes that I made, and just instinctively restored the page to the way it was before.
I wasn't trying to start an Edit War, I just thought the other user didn't understand why the page had been edited. That was why I invited them to the Discussion page to talk it over.
(And it bears repeating: they also added one of the folders back twice; that was an obvious error that had to be fixed, not an edit that I removed for personal reasons)
I apologize for jumping the gun and adding my edits back before discussing them. I didn't mean to cause trouble; I just thought there had been a misunderstanding.
Edited by TheMightyHeptagon on Aug 18th 2019 at 8:58:55 AM
Alrighty. You have to remember to talk these things out - even if it seems like a simple misunderstanding, there's always a chance that it wasn't, and you've just started an edit war. We have very little patience for such things.
I've released your suspension. Keep in mind that this was your second suspension, and we typically stop giving out chances at the third one.
And now I've apparently been suspended for losing my temper in an Ask the Tropers thread.
I sincerely apologize for losing my cool. And if I'm given another chance, I promise that it won't happen again.
If I might explain myself:
I got angry because I discovered that my previous suspension (which was lifted earlier today) happened after another user opened an Ask the Tropers thread to complain about some previous deletions that I made, and didn't think to notify me that an Ask the Tropers thread had been opened about me. Because of that Ask the Tropers thread, another user added back all of the entries that I deleted on that page without giving any reasons or explanations. Because no reason was given for adding back the entries that I removed, I thought there had been a misunderstanding, and I removed them again.
When I did that, I invited the other user to talk over any disagreements on the Discussion page, thinking that there had been a simple misunderstanding; I made every effort to be civil and reasonable, but I was still suspended for edit-warring—since I removed those entries before starting a Discussion, instead of after.
If I had started a Discussion first, I probably would have been told that those entries were added back because of an Ask the Tropers thread. An Ask the Tropers thread that I knew nothing about, since the user who started the thread didn't think to notify me about it until after I had been suspended, then allowed back.
I feel that I was kept in the dark, and I had no way of knowing why anyone objected to the edits that I made. It started as a simple misunderstanding, but that misunderstanding became an argument when I was belatedly told about the Ask the Tropers thread, and realized how long it had been up before anyone told me about it. If I had been told about it, I would have talked those edits over with the other user before deleting them again—and it's likely that none of this would have happened.
I know I shouldn't have flown off the handle, and I apologize to anyone whose feelings I hurt. I was just frustrated to learn that someone had started a thread for the sole purpose of complaining about my edits, and never thought to tell me that they objected to edits that I made.
I made a mistake, but it was a momentary mistake. I was frustrated about the misunderstanding that led to my suspension earlier today. Before today, I had a nearly clean record.
I know that you ordinarily only give users three strikes. But I implore you to forgive me. I promise, I never meant to cause any trouble.
Edited by TheMightyHeptagon on Aug 18th 2019 at 11:18:22 AM
How sweet it is
You may have kissed your chances goodbye, ~The Mighty Heptagon.
As soon as we unsuspended you, you decided to be rude and condescending to the user who reported you.
Why do you think that is a good idea?
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
I acknowledge that I made a mistake. I'm not defending my behavior, and I realize that it was inappropriate. For what it's worth, this is the only time that I've ever been suspended for incivility or harsh words.
I merely object to the fact that I wasn't given a chance to talk out my disagreements on the Ask the Troper thread before they led to me being suspended over my edits. As far as I'm aware, the user who opened that thread wasn't reporting me for any misconduct or rule-breaking, but simply noting that they disagreed with edits that I made; if they had told me that they felt that my edits were unjustified, I would have talked it over with them. But instead, a thread was opened behind my back; on that thread, I had other users calling for me to be suspended before I engaged in an Edit War, which another moderator noted was inappropriate. None of the users on that thread ever explained why any of my edits warranted being suspended, or even why they needed to be reverted.
When I was suspended earlier today for getting into an Edit War, it happened due to a misunderstanding. Another user removed all of the edits that I made on a page in one fell swoop, and didn't explain why. Since no reasons were given, I had every reason to believe that they simply didn't understand why I'd made those edits to begin with. Just now, I learned that those edits were removed because another user complained about them on the Ask the Tropers thread, but didn't notify me about any of their objections. Based on those complaints, another user decided that the page needed to be reverted to its previous state, and all of my edits needed to go. But I wasn't told about any of that. If I had been, I would have talked it over with them.
Once again, I apologize for my behavior, and I recognize that it was inappropriate. If no one wants to give me another chance, I understand completely.
I simply feel that I was treated unfairly when that Ask the Tropers thread was opened behind my back. Because of that, I wasn't given an opportunity to talk things out with the user who objected to my edits. When I came here after the Edit War earlier today, nombretomado acknowledged that I didn't have bad intentions. It was just a miscommunication, and it seems like it happened because I was kept in the dark.
I suppose that's all that I have to say in my defense. I know that it wasn't a good idea to lose my cool. If given a chance, I promise that I'll personally apologize to the user who I got into a disagreement with.
Thank you. Once again, I apologize for everything.
Edited by TheMightyHeptagon on Aug 19th 2019 at 11:49:42 AM
The Reptilian of Snark and Sarcasm
I acknowledge I may have gotten a bit too carried away when I was editing stuff down, but I wonder: how long does the ban last? Is it permanent? If it isn't, how do I get unbanned?
Reptile professional.
Jaded Techie Fox
Hey, so I just found out I got suspended, and I'm honestly not entirely sure why? Not sure what I did that caused me to get suspended, especially since I really haven't been editing pages much at all recently, so I'd like to know what it is I did so that I can make sure not to do it again. 
EDITED TO ADD: Oh crud, looking through my past edits, I think I know what happened. I have an extension on my browser based off of The Good Place, which, among other things, has a filter that changes cuss words to the censored versions that the show uses in the Good Place (so bitch becomes bench, asshole becomes ashole, etc). I didn't actually realize it would actively change the words in the page while I was editing something else on the page (though tbh, I was a bit worried it might. But when it didn't seem to do it for any of, say, my posts on Discord, or on Tumblr, I thought it wouldn't do it here. Guess I was wrong). I promise I'm not some kind of weirdo who's hypersensitive to cuss words and feels the need to edit them out for some reason! I'll get rid of the extension to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Edited by DeathsApprentice on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:26:43 PM
Trust you? The only person I can trust is myself.
Apparently, I got banned from OTC, I'm not 100% sure I want the ban lifted at this moment, but I would like to know why.
~Soban: Because you were engaging in the same sort of concern trolling that got you banned last time.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
To my knowledge, concern trolling is not what I was banned for last time. ???
Although trolling in general is often in the eye of the beholder; I would disagree that I'm concern trolling. Having genuine disagreements, questions, and being in the minority politically isn't concern trolling. Can you go into greater detail about why you see my behavior as a problem?
Edited by Soban on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:19:01 PM
Lost in Space
Soban, when you present a New York Post article as a reasonable argument, you've given away the game. Your position is one of fake concern, where you present talking points and "news" articles as representative of some hypothetical undecided middle that needs to be acknowledged, when you know full well that they are propaganda manufactured precisely to give that impression.
When challenged on any particular point, you evade or stop posting for a while, then try another point later on. Further, you show no interest in learning from anyone, changing or at least confronting your opinions, or even acknowledging evidence that contradicts you. You adopt the attitude of an authority figure calmly but firmly interjecting reason into the squabbling of children.
Your release from suspension last year was conditional on you stopping this behavior and having good-faith conversations in OTC. Either you genuinely do not understand that what you are doing is not in good faith, or you do and this is all a smokescreen of amiability concealing sinister motives, and it's no longer worth treating you as if it's the former. It's the duck test: if it smells like a disinformation troll, quacks like a disinformation troll, and looks like a disinformation troll...
There will be no more talk of letting you post in OTC. Your response, if you choose to give one, will determine whether you continue participating on this site at all.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 20th 2019 at 2:35:01 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
How sweet it is
~Deaths Apprentice: Correct; you're here because of the plugin.
Judging by your appeal, it looks like you did shut it off, so releasing you. If the plugin has a means to list sites to have it disabled, be sure to add tvtropes.org to that list.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope Report
How sweet it is
~dutchtica: Since your issue involves ZCEs, I'll present an example that you added. Now, how would you rewrite this example?
From Film.Flodder:
- Tank Goodness: The climax of the first film.
Hey. I got suspended, apparently, for problems with proper English grammar, spelling, capitalization, or punctuation when editting page Cinematic Excrement. The reason for these problems were that I had bad wifi at the time and was unable to get back to correct my own errors like I usually do in that situation. I also find it puzzling that I got suspended immediately after one warning about my edit having such problems, when I have been editting on the site for years and never had problems.
Edited by Theokal3 on Aug 20th 2019 at 12:06:49 PM
How sweet it is
This is the third time you are suspended for grammar and spelling issues. At this point, your ban will become permanent.
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~nombretomado It's not so much that all the umbrage came from that, as it was that the umbrage I took from it was compounded by the fact that the thing I submitted as a moment was an opinion I'd gotten a lot of flak for in the past- so I was already upset and I'd reached my tolerance limit. Fortunately for me, I've found the root cause, (my tendency toward odd interpretations of phrasing and my recent diagnosis of bipolar tendencies) so if those feelings arise again, I'm confident I will be able to keep composed- and if I end up going past that point again, I'll say that and I'll leave the discussion until I've calmed down, if not entirely.