This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
In the month since we suspended Max Sinister for Edit Warring, I'm somewhat curious as to how many other editors we've also suspended, yet were able to follow directions well enough to gain release. Not curious enough to re-read a month's worth of appeals, but it stands in stark contrast to how easy it is for most editors to go through the process. They've earned themselves the full "bounce" treatment.
Speaking of people who are capable of following directions...
~Trending Toon 1 — Thank you for participating in the suspension process. Also noting that you only received one new notifier since your last suspension, so it shows that you've generally kept up on following policies. Remember the lessons you learned about the Zero-Context Example policy, because those same rules apply with the video uploads. Your suspension has been released.
~Tobias Drake — We appreciate that. Thank you for participating in the suspension process; your suspension has been released.
~ACW — We had started making notes around June of this year because we were observing that your TRS and IP posts were dominated by their connection to Complete Monster editing. It wasn't yet severe enough for us to agree that action needed to be taken. While you would occasionally post in a way that demonstrated either a lack of attention to previous posts in the thread (Why was it made a disambig way back when anyway?, causing the thread to derail) or something that demonstrated a sense of ownership (PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THE COMPLETE MONSTER SANDBOXES. I'll take care of that.), you generally remained polite and frequently posted before the final action was decided upon. Since we were also issuing the wiki suspension, bringing up the topic now (before we would normally suspend) would mean that it wouldn't count against the number of previous suspensions later.
Posts like this or this are productive and timely. That's the sort of thing that we usually see from you. However, both of those are also hyper-focused on only how the change affects "your trope", and this is why we see some ownership issues if even your polite and helpful posts are centered around effectively saying that you don't want anyone else editing those sandboxes.
One of the first agreements we saw occur in the Wiki Talk thread was that more people would be editing the sandboxes. That's great, and we hope that such courtesy will be extended to non-regulars as well. We won't require that you contribute to activities beyond CM-related discussions, but it will go a long way in reassuring us that you are interested in something more than turning tvtropes into CM Tropes.
~Invaders Must Die — We responded to you already, although the automated PM seems to have glitched on us again. 
Our apologies.
It's been five years since your previous suspension... Which is for essentially the same violation? We don't care that it is a different series, you still edit warred a second time to remove the official English translation of character names. We can restore your query privileges, but you don't have enough good karma saved up to regain any wiki editing privileges.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Nov 9th 2022 at 1:18:43 PM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I wish to ask for my suspension to be revoked. As it has been weeks now and I feel ny suspension was under false pretenses.
@crazysamaritan: Between the indenting and the sinkholes, I'm guessing that for indenting, it's the tropeslashing that's the biggest issue against me. I had a tendency to do that as I previously found it difficult to separate some trope examples that I saw simultaneously fit both tropes, even though (as I eventually learned) that isn't acceptable. I have been trying to move away from that and giving such tropes their own individual bullet points as proper, though I've just found one tropeslashing example on a page I regularly attend to that I haven't taken care of yet, so I still need to work on that. Either way, I apologize for the tropeslashing and it won't happen again.
The other issue I may have regarding indenting is improper bullet indentation for multiple trope examples in the past. However, I was already working on this well before my suspension and had already fixed some examples of improper indenting I noticed, whether or not I was the original troper who made such mistakes before. I have been continuing to work on that already.
For sinkholes, it's chained sinkholes that's my problem. I do over-compact things sometimes, which also explains my tropeslashing problems, and had put multiple Potholes together as a result. I've also just found at least one instance where I chained two together—on the same regularly-attended page I mentioned, no less—so I also need to work on that.
Hello. I would like to know why it was that I was suspended from editing. I'm guessing it might be my horrible spelling since I rely a 'lot' on Grammarly but I can't assume anything.
Thank You.
I would like to ask if my suspension could be lifted at this time.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Here's a few more responses from yesterday's batch of appeals; we haven't forgotten anyone yet. Please be patient. 
~StewieGriffin34 — No, they weren't passive-aggressive. You became rude for no reason. You decided to start insinuating and accusing them of taking the situation personally when they were just as respectful as the editors in the fixing ZCE thread. We are not going to tolerate Victim-Blaming. This "I did nothing wrong" attitude is exactly why we decided to have this conversation with you in the first place. We want you to cut it out and the PM suspension will remain until you've convinced us that you are willing to change your ways.
~{{Tropers/2HeadedMoonOctopus}} — Welcome to the Edit Banned/Suspended thread! Yes, your suspension is because of an Edit War.
- You added the example
Page move to Characters.Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Heroes - It was changed
- You reverted the change.
~Crep105 — You aren't seeming rude, but we can't really help without a more precise question from you. If your problem is some form of formatting issue, then we suggest you ask for help in the sandbox thread. If your question is about policy, you'll have to rephrase to clarify what detail you're having trouble with.
~The Goddess Is Dead — We're glad to hear that you understand "justifying edits" now! That's the first question fully addressed, now for the second. You brought up a previous edit war, and said that you know it is your "responsibility to know what [you have] done on this website." But we'd like a bit more response to our question about avoiding an Edit War.
~FOFD — Welcome to the Posting Suspensions thread!
You are correct; you received seven thumps because you didn't provide context to your links. For the first couple of times, we immediately pink-posted to say not to do that. Your most recent thump even said "contextless", which feels like you were deliberately thumbing your nose at the rules. We followed up the thump with another moderator post explaining why it is against the rules. You can find the "full" list of forum rules in this post. Please respond by paraphrasing what rule you were violating, why it exists, and promising us that you'll stop.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Nov 10th 2022 at 2:04:51 PM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I'm not victim-blaming. They worded their PMs in a way that was rude and unconstructive. I'm not saying I didn't overreact, but they shouldn't have been talking like that in the first place.
Granted, I have problems ignoring rudeness. The right thing to do is to simply not respond once a fellow troper starts acting rudely. I will keep that in mind from now on. Can I get my PM privileges back?
Edited by StewieGriffin34 on Nov 10th 2022 at 10:41:04 AM
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~crazysamaritan: Thanks, I understand now. The third edit is the threshold, regardless of the amount of time that's passed, and if I want to do something like that in the future I need to take it up on the discussion page and ATT. And adding an edit reason isn't any sort of excuse or justification.
Like I said before, for my end on avoiding an edit war, I have to remember what I post. The only reason I put the second post up was because I had forgotten I had ever made a first one. I didn’t remember the first one. Nine times out of ten when someone takes down a post of mine, I look in the reasons. Most of the time, there’s no reason given, but if a reason like a decision in a thread is given or other admin related reasons, I don’t bother trying to put it back up. But in this case, I didn’t remember that I had made a first post, so when I put the second one up, in my head, it was like I was putting it up for the first time. That’s how I need to avoid an edit war. I’m not those people like RyCyber who couldn’t stop trying to put his version of the post back up. I don’t do that, not even with YMMV.
Thanks. I... didn't want to be here but got myself there. Its just as good as the poster.
The rule about making posts that only contain links. I guess it exists because at some point in time people were excessively posting videos. It's also to maintain some sense of decorum and allow others to be part of the discussion without having to go off website.
And yep, I was thumbing my nose up at it. The first couple of times it was sudden. I thought, OK, guess that's being enforced now, guess I better watch my rear. Then I noticed it seemed to be happening in the same place even when I thought I was giving a valid description. Then I thought somebody was targeting what I was posting. A few times I'd posted with the same carelessness in other threads and the point got across/no report was made. So I wanted to see what would happen if I just put "contextless" and left it. That was a pretty irresponsible and hot-headed thing for me to do.
I promise I'll stop doing that.
Edited by FOFD on Nov 10th 2022 at 2:27:14 PM
Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
Hello, I wish to know why I have been suspended from editing & posting videos on TV Tropes. I would also like it to be lifted. If I did something wrong, I am not aware of what it is, and I will agree to improve.
Edited by DJones662 on Nov 10th 2022 at 4:14:26 AM
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~StarSword — That's exactly what we wanted to hear, have fun editing!
~analogtime — Our guidelines are described on What Goes Where on the Wiki, but that's often not sufficient. We have the Are these Character Tropes?, and Recap Cleanup threads to discuss situations that need clarification. Thank you for participating in the suspension process, your suspension has been revoked!
~Gojiboy 2000 — Welcome to the Edit Banned and Suspensions thread! We've been waiting for you to come to discuss your situation with us. We observed that you participated in an Edit War on Characters.Bayonetta Titular Character:
- You added the line "Besides, him following her around does seem to annoy her." (Thank you for using edit reasons!)
You sent the other editor a PM (also a good move!) - It was removed
They didn't resolve the discussion with you prior to this removal, so they earned a suspension as well. - Then you re-added the entry
This was a bad move because the conflict wasn't yet resolved.
You're also using edit reasons to discuss the conflict, which is not acceptable.
After another round of edit warring, you responded to the discussion subpage. At this point, we issued suspensions because (in addition to the EW) the two of you were starting to take the disagreement personally.
So, you began a PM discussion over the conflict, but continued to edit the page to enforce your opinion anyway. You should've been the one to initiate taking the subject to the discussion subpage, but you didn't.
Edit reasons are not an acceptable method of resolving edit wars. Direct Messages failed to build consensus. It was looking as if the discussion subpage would fail as well. You had additional options outlined for resolving the situation on Edit War. What were they?
~Rise from Your Grave — That's just what we like to hear. Your suspension is released. Happy troping!
~mangamanic — Grammar was definitely an element, but we also found violations of What Goes Where on the Wiki and Example Indentation in Trope Lists, to the point where we had to revert a lot of your recent edits.
To start with, please paraphrase the rules with YMMV tropes and subpages.
Correct, ~Tropers/2HeadedMoonOctopus — You can also use the forums and private messages to resolve editing conflicts. Your suspension has been released, happy troping!
What if you... *gasp* disagree with the reason given? 
Or maybe they added something that you disagree with, and didn't include an edit reason, but you want to remove it (even though that would be reverting to your wording).
That's the more important situation and why we are pressing on the issue. You're wrong and accept the correction. Fine, whatever. That's not the interesting thing. The interesting thing is that, sometimes, when other editors change your wording, they will be wrong and you're still not supposed to revert the wording. We expect editors to get into situations where they disagree on how to properly word an example, but we don't want to enforce a last-come priority.
Let's assume that rather than the second edit you made, you did come up with something like my rewrite (only better). Just rewriting the example like that could still be construed as an Edit War. But! There is a way to rewrite the example and follow policy. 
That's what we want you to identify and summarize from the edit war policy article. How can editors rewrite an example without violating the prohibition against rewriting examples?
~Stewie Griffin 34 — No, they were polite and helpful in their responses, even after your initial insinuation. An argument could be made that they were writing their responses too quickly (such as initially misidentifying which example of ZCE matched your violation), but they were trying to help you understand why they had sent the notifier. We are not convinced that you will be able to handle similar situations in the future, so your PM privileges will remain suspended permanently.
~FOFD —
- at some point in time people were excessively posting videos.
- It's also to maintain some sense of decorum
- and allow others to be part of the discussion without having to go off website.
Yes, the rule is that we don't want people posting links without providing some sort of summary of the link's content and that applies to tweets, articles, podcasts, videos, images, and whatever else it is that you're sharing to the wiki/forums.
As far as the reasoning, you're trying to guess, but I linked the rules and one of our moderator posts to provide you resources with which you could find the answer instead of guessing. Your first two guesses are wrong; we didn't implement the rule because there were "too many" videos or because we are trying to have some sort of decorum. I'm quite willing to dispense with good taste and we could make plenty of other jokes about "propriety".
Your third guess, however, is correct. You can expect other posters to read your post, but you shouldn't expect everyone to be able to view the video. Providing a summary of the relevant details is a courtesy that we expect if you're going to be posting links (including videos). Does that make sense?
~D Jones 662 — Welcome to the Edit Banned and Suspensions thread!
Your suspension is because of an Edit War. You added an example, it was changed, then you reverted it. What should you have done when you saw that someone else had edited the example?
I simply thought the description I originally written was a bit more informative. It was never my intent to start an “Edit War”. If that’s the case, I do apologize.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Well, as I said, at the time I really didn’t want to start an edit war nor did I originally think it was one. To answer your question, I really don’t know, what?
Edited by DJones662 on Nov 10th 2022 at 6:54:52 AM
Makes sense.
Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
Hello. I was wondering why I was suspended and what it takes for my suspension to be lifted. Thank you!
Edited by cwallace135 on Nov 10th 2022 at 7:58:56 AM
Well, when I was in the edit war with RyCyber, he sent me personal messages, and I attempted to resolve things through that avenue. I spoke with him about what he had been saying, and that it was wrong, but he grew hostile to me. That was a case where he was wrong in his editing, and that was when I eventually reported it, though I forgot where I did. I was only reporting his harassment but I also revealed his edit warring. I guess the best way to resolve a conflict between what should be on the page would be to discuss it on a Discussion page or through private messages with the other person. Had I received a message from MightyMoose directly, I would have realized that I had inadvertently been edit warring.
Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm right. But in the cases where I am right, I could do exactly what he did and go to a discussion thread. I've seen threads for these kinds of situations where people want to make edits to an entry (like with Abby in The Last of Us Part II), but can't really come to a consensus using all of the given facts about a character. If there is a thread for DILP characters, I could try that.
Edited by TheGoddessIsDead on Nov 11th 2022 at 12:18:37 PM
I don’t have any questions about my notifiers
Okay then. Can you at least elaborate on how they were in any way "polite" before making a hasty decision like that? I'm sorry if this sounds argumentative, but I'm genuinely curious. Having No Social Skills, I have a tendency to misinterpret other people's intentions and vice versa. Of course, this isn't an excuse for my actions.
On a side note, how will I be able to read PMs? I get not being able to send them for people who don't deserve that privilege, but shouldn't be at least be able to read them?
Edited by StewieGriffin34 on Nov 11th 2022 at 4:03:54 AM
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Just checking in to see if my suspension could be lifted please. I don't frequent this site very often these days, but I thought I'd check in. It's been about a year or so. Thanks!
I got suspended due to launching a trope (Cunning People Play Poker) before the consensus was to do so. I even gave a reply on the Trope Launch Pad page and decided it was okay to launch it immediately after. I realize my mistake and I apologize, especially when this is apparently common on the site.
"Yeah yeah no, you can't change the way you are." - Charizard
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Hello, I would like to appeal my suspension. I believe I know what earned me a suspension (deleting supposed Zero-Context Examples from the page GoodAngelBadAngel.Webcomics, and ignoring a notifier about such), and first and foremost, I'd like to apologize. I'll be completely honest — I genuinely don't remember what my reasoning was when I made the edit, but I'm aware that what I did was very much out of line. I'm aware that not all of the examples that I removed lacked context, I'm aware that ZCEs should be commented out instead of deleted outright, and deleting an example always requires a sufficient edit reason. I'm also aware that I should have responded to the notifier I received, in order to avoid things escalating to this point. (I believe I didn't respond primarily because I just... didn't have a justification.)
Again, I acknowledge that what I did was wrong; I'm sorry, and I have every intention of learning from my errors going forward.
clearly things are going well.
@crazysamaritan:
Unfortunately I have to admit that you're right: Many of my pages (almost all I made in 2013 or earlier - I checked my edits - when standards were laxer) aren't up to your standards. Details later.
Now I like troping very much, and don't want to quit this habit, no matter what happens. There's just one more question in the way:
For what purpose? I'm asking this because: Even after so many years of troping, I can't tell myself.
Before you tell me "To popularize these works" or "To attract fans who like the same works and become friends with them", let me point out that I haven't seen very much of this. Makes me wonder whether my work here was totally useless.
Must be something different then. Je ne sais quoi. To help TV Tropes become self-aware one day, as suggested somewhere here, forgot which page? Sounds like a nice plot for a story I'd like to read, but I don't think that'll happen IRL.
So, why the high standards? We aren't exactly researching the cure for cancer, where any mistake would deserve a chewing out. For what final, big purpose are we supposed to accept that?
If you can solve me this riddle, you shall get your apology, all of my pages improved up to your standards (and some more), and your rules summarized. If not, I'm losing pretty much nothing if I continue to trope on my own, i.e. outside This Very Wiki.
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