This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
@Synchronicity
I apologize. I wasn't aware that I was starting an edit war or overturning consensus. I thought the troper removed the post by mistake, and I was trying to fix it. I never meant to create an edit war, and I pledge never to overrule consensus again.
Edited by redandready45 on Sep 6th 2022 at 4:51:18 AM
@Synchronicity
I didn't realize I was breaking a serious rule and the next time I see one of my edits erased by consensus, I won't go back and add it again.
Edited by redandready45 on Sep 6th 2022 at 4:51:04 AM
~Synchronicity
The correct way to approach contested edits is as follows:
- Private messaging the other troper (if the issue is just between two people).
- Bringing it up on the article's discussion page, Ask The Tropers or another appropriate forum / thread.
- Reporting the page if intentional vandalism is suspected.
Regarding the Uncertain Audience edit, after having gone back over the history for the page, I believe what happened was that I cross-wicked the Chaos Walking example from the film's YMMV page weeks or even months ago. Someone removed it without my realising and when I was doing some more cross-wicking a few days ago, I completely forgot I had added that example in the first place. That one was a genuine accident and lapse in memory as opposed to me contesting the edit, but I'll be more careful in the future.
If I did get editing privileges restored, would it be okay if I removed that Uncertain Audience edit again myself, seeing as it's my fault? Would it count as Edit Warring if I added something then removed it?
Edited by Stevebob on Sep 5th 2022 at 5:00:13 AM
Jedi Knight of the Republic
@Synchronicity Understood. I swear to be more patient next time. I take full responsibility for my actions and I truly apologize if I hassled the moderators too much. May i be unsuspended?
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Sep 5th 2022 at 11:05:35 PM
The Verdamnt
Hi, good afternoon, firts at all, i want to apologize for my calligraphy, i assume that the reason why my permission for edit are suspended, i has to admit that English is not my mother language and i still learning but i want to help in the page, so we can talk about it?
Hello Synchronicity:
For starters, I do appreciate if someone does edit what I've written, I just couldn't see what that person meant on some of his reasons to delete the Surprisingly Realistic Outcome edit (the syntax and indentation was one of the issues I've agreed with prior to the edit with the rude snarky note). It wasn't meant to be an edit war, I just failed to grasp how to enter a thread until after I was suspended.
I can agree that there are rookie errors displayed on my edits, I haven't been on the editing for very long, and I'm working on fixing my edit drafts on a doc before I could get the chance to insert them to tvtropes If you have any suggestions on where else I can look to get progressively better at writing and structuring a page, I'd be very willing to look into them.
Thank you for reaching out to me and to list out the issues. I look forward to see some response
@Synchronicity:
From my reading on the Edit War page, there are actually five major routes that one can take to resolve an Edit War, but the three that are most relevant to something like this are:
- Taking the issue to the Discussion page,
- PMing it out with whoever you're having the disagreement with, or
- Taking it to Ask The Tropers.
Another route, taking it to Trope Talk or Wiki Talk, is primarily for either disagreements regarding tropes (for Trope Talk) or other articles (for Wiki Talk). The final route, the last resort, is reporting whoever was doing the edit war, which is the route that was taken in this case as seen in the Ask The Tropers thread.
I would like to thank you for reaching out, as it had been some time without a reply to my initial post. I hadn't intended to start an edit war with my activity on Villainous Breakdown's quotes page, and as this has been causing some problems, I will not be doing this again.
Edited by Dravencour on Sep 6th 2022 at 6:18:45 AM
Hi! I’ve been suspended. How can I improve? Thanks.
I can't think of anything. What else should I do to be unbanned?
Hello there. I have been suspended from editing, and I honestly don't know why. I didn't get a message, a warning, or anything.
It's hard to try and make an appeal to get unbanned when you don't know why you got banned in the first place, so I don't even know what to say. Perhaps someone can look into my edits and see what the problem was, if there was one. I would like to know.
Thanks.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
~Maxy Gregoryyyy — You've been released.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 6th 2022 at 7:38:00 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~redandready45 — You thought it was "by mistake", but the edit reason removing the entry was very clear that the entry was removed due to misuse, not mistake. It cited three different ATT queries. Which means you didn't do the basic research of examining the edit history to discover what happened to the example.
All of that, however, is besides the point because we asked you a question, and you didn't answer it:
~Stevebob — Those are good answers, thank you. It is somewhat concerning that you edit warred twice in such a short amount of time, so I'm glad you're asking some clarifying questions over the policy.
No, if Editor A adds, then removes an example, it does not count as an Edit War. Catching yourself in such a situation is better than getting caught by other editors because it shows that you are actively looking out for previous instances in the history. This is why the ideal way to resolve an edit war is to PM the other editor, and if they made the last edit, to convince them to reverse it. Doing it with agreement from the other editor in PM means that a third editor might get the wrong idea and assume it is an edit war, despite discussion.
When it comes to the crosswicking, there's a note in your file that your mistake may have been due to that, but please understand that in this context, that means if the removal was correct, then you should've followed it up by removing the example from the work's YMMV subpage as well. Such a lapse in memory can be solved by going through the examples alphabetically.
Welcome to the Edit Banned thread, ~Starkiller118s. Calligraphy is more about the shape of the letters. What you may have meant to say is grammar, spelling, and/or punctuation. We're going to ask you to go to another thread in this forum; the Get Help With English Here thread. We have volunteers that specialize in helping other editors to construct properly-written examples. If you can post a few reasonably complexly-worded examples whose only reply is "Looks good", we will be willing to release you.
Unrelated to the current reason for suspension, why did you remove these ZCE warnings?
~Tropers/Spare-plume — We listed three problems and asked you to choose one for us to discuss with you first. Since you agree that there are "rookie errors" in your edits, I'm going to choose that we start with that issue in particular. How to Write an Example is probably a good place to start here. Please read the article and post (in this thread) how the following example should be written (You may want to check Zero-Context Example, as well):
- Screw the Rules, I Have Money!! / Screw the Rules, I Have Connections!!: How Chloe deals with obstacles in her path, as well as how she makes Marinette's life a living nightmare..
~Brenda Dylan — You've committed what we call an Edit War in order to ensure that an "example" for Infidelity Index remained on the page. Indexes are not supposed to be listed in example lists. Your "example" was removed as part of a cleanup of redirects. Generally speaking, those aren't supposed to be used in example lists either, although there are a few more situations where that would be acceptable. None of those situations apply here.
Please read over Edit War and explain to us what you should have done, instead of re-adding the example. Please use your own words. Looking over the rest of that recap page, we will also have to discuss Zero-Context Example.
~Lavaring X — We aren't asking you to think of the answers on your own. We want you to read though Edit War carefully and find the information there. If you cannot do that, or if you cannot find a way to phrase it in your own words, then it demonstrates the sort of lazy ignorance that got you suspended in the first place. We will not release you if we remain convinced that you will repeat the same mistakes.
Welcome to the Edit Banned thread, ~Tropers/dvegaj! 
The first step of getting your suspension released is posting here. Once you've done that, a moderator post (like this one) will explain what rules you were violating and direct you to a policy page. After that, we may or may not test your new understanding of the rules. We usually ask users to agree to follow the policy, and once we are convinced that the problem is unlikely to occur again, we end the suspension. All of that is basically a summary of What to Do If You Are Suspended, which is linked in the pinned post at the top of this page.
The policy you broke is covered by Edit War.
- You added an example
- It was removed
- Then you re-added it
For the sake of argument (especially since I see editors agreeing with you), let's assume that the Adaptational Wimp example was correct and it was incorrectly removed. What does Edit War say you should've done? Please use your own words.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~Tropers/Dravencour — That was a great answer to the EW question. Now for the harder question of the Chained Sinkhole. Why is it problematic and how could you rewrite the example to avoid chaining links together? Someone was suggesting a solution in this ATT.
(Note that the ATT also mentioned your 14 indentation notifiers, but we can do that last.)
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
~crazysamaritan Ah, I see! Thank you.
So I don't recall where it is/which example, but I think what happened is I didn't understand the rules/pay attention properly. I thought, like with The Cameo, that examples that didn't fit the others should be put under Your Cheating Heart, but didn't pay attention that it is an index and not a single trope. Sorry. I think I got confused.
I don't remember being aware that it had been removed before I added it. I know that is edit warring, and that any conflicting edits that might arise about a trope you are supposed to discuss or ask for help in the forum.
I read Zero-Context Example and see that I have done that in places, where I have not explained the occurrence of the trope properly. Sorry about that.
I hope this makes sense. I'd like another chance to work on the site with better oversight than what I displayed above, but understand if that's not possible. Again, sorry for the bother. Thanks.
You'll never find out who I am
I noticed I've been suspended from TLP. Is this because of my comment mentioning that it's possible to hat a draft you've already bombed? I noticed someone had unbombed it and figured maybe the reason more people weren't unbombing it was because they didn't know you could unbomb a draft.
Check out my forum game: Rate the above YMMV.
Where does Edit War say you can have these conversations?
@ crazysamaritan
It says you can have these conversations on the discussion page, speaking to a troper with a private message, sending a question to ask the tropers, and the forums.
Ok, I used the improper forum to challenge an edit and I'm sorry I did so. I should've paid attention to the edit history which would've told me the removal of my entry was done through consensus. If I felt an edit was improper, there were forums to do so. The way I did it, I started an edit war and I'm sorry.
The next time I feel an edit made to an entry of mine was improper, I will move the edit to the discussion page if I feel strongly, and let the edit be removed
I understand what I did was wrong and if I am allowed to edit, I will not make the same mistake again.
@crazysamaritan Hello, thanks for replying to me. I was preparing a long winded response to your post, unfortunately I accidentally closed the browser tab containing my reply, thus it went down the drain. I'm just posting so that you know I intend to come back at this, but not right now.
For the moment, I now understand that there was a problem, even though it may not have been exactly the issue I was suspended for, but I acknowledge it as an Edit War nevertheless.
I'll get back later...
~crazysamaritan
Thank you for clarifying that for me about Edit Warring. If I'd realised the entry had been removed from Uncertain Audience I would've removed from the work's YMMV page too; if I can edit again I will do that right away.
As I've since realised, the example was removed from the Uncertain Audience page but it was left on the work's YMMV page (it's still there as of this writing despite having been deleted from Uncertain Audience), which is why I mistakenly thought it hadn't been added yet. Usually if I remove something from an article I also remove it from other articles it appears on to avoid this kind of thing, but I guess this slipped the other troper's mind or they didn't realise it was also on the work page.
Just to clarify, I'm certainly not trying to blame the other troper for my own mistake, I'm trying to explain why I got mixed up regarding this particular issue. I hope my post doesn't come across that way.
Edited by Stevebob on Sep 6th 2022 at 10:06:06 AM
@crazysamaritan: Chained Sinkholes are usually strings of potholes in succession in a single sentence, such that most readers see it as one link at first. This can get quite messy and is a bit of a hassle for others to deal with, and I have been guilty of this on many an occasion, particularly in trope examples.
This particular example is one of those rare instances where two sentences are being counted as a single Chained Sinkhole, and can easily be remedied by placing the period of the first sentence outside the blue zone, as mentioned in the ATT thread that you linked to.
Shocking Gun!
I've seem to have gotten a new suspension now, so wanted to check in what exactly seems to be the problem. Is it due to grammar problems? Is it due to making uncited edits to Characters.Pokemon Sword And Shield (pre-release stuff)?
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
The Partner of Redundancy Partner
~Synchronicity So am I correct in thinking that someone else's previous entry explaining that 'snickersnee' was in fact a real word and explaining its meaning should be removed as well, since that doesn't directly add to it's sounding funny or not?; I was following their example. Should that sort of thing go into the 'Talk' page? Thanks.
@crazysamaritan: As I've said, I'm back, and I've decided to try and keep it short this time (yeah funny, I think that accident did do good).
But basically, I see it now. I was in the right, and the other troper who deleted my edit without minding me, or what I put there, was wrong, but just putting back there what he took out wasn't right either. There were other things I wrote that got removed as well and I chose not to contest those because I conceded that I could be wrong on those, but the one I did put back I did because I felt it right. But however right I was, my methods were wrong. Doing right things the wrong way isn't much different from doing the wrong things, isn't it? When I did it, I didn't mind, but now I see this.
Edit War says I could have taken a few choices:
First one is to open a thread in the page's Discussion and talk about the contended edit.
Second one is to reach out the other troper who edited my entry out by private messages and discuss about it (in civil terms of course) to reach an agreement.
A third one is to talk about it in the Ask The Tropers page, though I should contact the other party involved and take them there.
Fourth one is Trope Talk but I think this is meant for disagreement about tropes (which wasn't the case here, I think).
Fifth, as a last resort, I should use the Report Page button from the sidebar, to call for a mod to rule things out.
These are the five paths... of which I admit I could have taken at least three of them.
Now, I went to the Ask The Tropers page to check out if there was a thread regarding my EW there. And there was one:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=115523&type=att
I got my second edit called out, albeit for the wrong reason. Another troper, superfunktastic, deleted it, with an edit reason, albeit that edit reason was pertinent to another entry of mine that he (rightfully) deleted. So there was no reason for him to delete my entry about Heihachi in the Adaptational Wimp trope (as far I can see). Nevertheless, edit reason or no edit reason, I have to say, I did incur in EW.
I look forward to use one (or several) of the five steps described in Edit War in the future. I recognized the possibility of EW before, and I tried to stay away from it, and worked it until now, but for whatever reason, I just felt that this time I was right and the other person did a mistake. But evidently, gut feelings are just not enough to settle things, and I'm willing to take these steps to avoid EW's in the future.
Edited by dvegaj on Sep 7th 2022 at 4:18:44 AM
Hello, sorry that I've took this long to respond after being suspended. And sorry, if my editing and grammar is causing problems. I've have improving my grammar, and being more conscious on what I edit. It's just that editing on this platform is not the most user friendly experience. If there's anything to get me unbanned, please say it. I've your discussion on me about the situation here. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=102221&type=att As for my edits on certain inform of particular video game, I'll ask and/or discuss about the edits I want to make before potentially starting an Edit War even thought it's not my intention.
Edited by Xteme19 on Sep 7th 2022 at 8:46:05 AM
Hi, I'm here to appeal to my editing suspension. I am aware that many users have had issues with my use of grammar and Word Cruft across the site and my habits regarding long paragraphs and formatting (among other things) over the years. But I am willing to work things out and attempt to clean up as many of my past instances as best as I possibly can if I am allowed to resume editing on the wiki. I can't promise I'll be absolutely perfect, but I will make the attempt to clean up my act if nothing else.
~Maxy Gregoryyyy — Your suspension is pretty much for your impatience in handling a troper report. Your insistence that the offender be punished ASAP, even spilling into private messages to moderators, reads like page ownership and a desire for the other troper to be "wrong" more than ensuring that the page follows wiki rules.
We want to foster a cooperative environment when it comes to reporting and fixing errors. Also, please keep in mind that moderators can't always investigate a problematic troper right away — sometimes these things need time. We are not always on the wiki and can't always do thorough dives even when we are.
~Spidey ROX 812 — You're being too casual about that. While we uphold an informal, no-citation-required style over here, we do so with the assumption that the information being put on our pages is factual. If you aren't sorry about putting misinformation on pages and are only claiming to acquiesce to the rules to get out of your suspension, then we can't allow you to edit in good faith.
~True 20 — We don't care how many times you edit a day, as long as your edits are done with good grammar and proper Text-Formatting Rules. Yours are not, despite multiple grammar notifiers. To prove to us that you'll be more mindful about grammar in the future, we would like you to run your edits through Get Help With English
Since you are currently edit-banned, you can use the Sandbox forum thread
to practice formatting.
~Tropers/Spare-plume — Multiple issues we have to go over:
Which of these do you want to discuss first?
~Tropers/redandready45 — Your suspension is for an Edit War over a Fan-Preferred Couple entry on YMMV.Spider Man 2: You added it, it was removed with agreement from other editors, then you added it back. If you wanted to add it back you would have needed agreement from other tropers, especially because you would be arguing to overturn consensus. Where does Edit War say you can have these conversations?