Subjective Trope Deletion

@Evilest Tim: I guess. It was the first rationalisation that sprang to mind of how failing on matters factual could be considered subjective.

I have no objection to renaming all the "You Fail..." tropes to something less condemnation-like. How about "...Flub"? Biology Flub, Animal Care Flub, etc..

That works.

Seconding the "flub" proposal.

Thirding

It certainly functions better from a "less subjectivity" standpoint. The You Fail ... titles all mess with the expectation that Tropes Are Not Bad.

yes, fifthing.

I'll be sad to see them go, but I understand the need

So if I come across a page with a bunch of subjective tropes on it, should I create a new subjective page for it and copy paste them there?

Ideally, yes. Feel free to cut anything that's outright Natter first, though.

Okay, I know this is probably the most basic thing on TV Tropes ever, but can someone link me to a guide to starting a page? I don;t know how to make a subjective page....

Go to the page you want to make a "Subjectives" page for (we'll use Series Name for our example), and replace the "Main" part in the URL with "Subjectives". Alternatively, you can make a wick somewhere (the Wiki Sandbox is good for this), putting "Subjectives/" before the page name (so our example would be Subjectives/SeriesName, which would come out as Series Name). For a one-word page title, use the {{Wikiword}} markup (so, say, Series' Subjectives page would be Subjectives/{{Series}}, which renders as Series).

By the way, you can do something similar for any namespace, using the appropriate namespace in place of "Subjectives" in the URL/wick.

Observe the URL of the page. It has a component before the name, like /Main/ or /Film/, etc. Change that to /Subjectives/. Edit the resulting page.

Everything under Shipping Tropes should go under Audience Reactions. (A few are already listed directly).

In my opinion, automagically marking any page whose title fits the "You Fail X Forever" template as a subjective trope is a misfeature. Some of those pages, such as You Fail Logic Forever, aren't tropes to begin with.

We're changing all the you fail X Forever tropes into X Flubs.

I can accept changing "You fail X" to "X Flubs" (I don't like it but I can see how getting rid of the adversarial name could help), but they aren't subjective. Natter and pedantry magnets, some of them, but that doesn't make them a matter of opinion. Whether the The Day After Tomorrow got heat transfer wrong or not, or whether Jurassic Park screwed up the velociraptors or not can be determined by looking at the film and them looking at the known information.

Either way shouldn't we come up with an index for "subjectives in works"?

X Flubs?

• You flubs sex ed forver.
• You flubs biology forever.
• Flub itself wouldn't be any better.

edited 6th Oct '10 7:49:19 PM by Marioguy128

I think they meant like Sex Ed Flubs, Biology Flubs, etc.

If we're going to rename running gags that have been here forever, I counter-propose "X Does Not Work That Way" as it's at least an existing snowclone and slightly more colorful than "Flubs".

Hmm. I like it. Let me just plug the subjects in from this list.

Edit: Most of them seem to fit. Except maybe History, but that's a tight squeeze.

edited 6th Oct '10 8:23:38 PM by Marioguy128

Damn you double posts.

edited 6th Oct '10 8:25:24 PM by RhymeBeat

How about History Did Not Go That Way or History Did Not Happen That Way

edited 6th Oct '10 8:25:03 PM by RhymeBeat

I can go with "X Does Not Work That Way".

History Flub is shorter and punchier.

• History Flub: Cleopatra was not alive during the Sack of Troy. Example. Works real well.