The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

Yes, but what exactly do you want to change? Because if you don't like the Master Sword's origins, I can't see them just declaring them Canon Discontinuity.

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I don't think the master sword's origins are ever going to be relevant again anyways.

@Waxing Name You're the one that just posted this topic, aren't you?

Let's not even bother arguing about this, please. Especially since in that very thread it's pointed out in the replies that the Master Sword IS a glorified key from the get-go (circa ALTTP) and the topic creator hasn't replied again to try to rebutt the counterarguments.

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I think that also counts as export/importing drama which is a pretty big no no on TV Tropes.

edited 30th Jan '17 7:56:56 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?

I don't think so, seeing as how it's just another variant of the topic we're currently "arguing".

Regardless, the top post in that thread perfectly counters the entire argument. To put it simply, Zelda states that Hylia created the Goddess Sword for the sole purpose of defeating Demise and powering it up to the Master Sword just lets it actually do that.

Also, the Master Sword has served as a key since literally its very first appearance and every appearance since.

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> I think that also counts as export/importing drama which is a pretty big no no on TV Tropes.

Only if there's drama to begin with,otherwise he's just pointing out how incredibly similar the posts are

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So the Master Sword was a Keyblade before it became cool then?

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Honestly, if you're willing to be that much of a reductionist, everything can be abstracted down and shoehorned into the role of either a lock or a key.

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As long as we are talking about where the series could go I might as well throw out my idea. There are a lot of stores that Zelda could do that I think Nintendo is too conservative to touch right now. For one thing that changes in this series, two more stay the same. This is the first real open world in Zelda history and the story seems like a remake of the first Zelda, it just is coming out thirty years later.

I feel Nintendo will not be getting rid of the big three (Link,Zelda and Ganon) any time soon. Skyword Sword used the Big Bad curse to enforce those relationships. But I have not lost hope because SS also played those relationships in a way that we had not seen before. So considering what Nintendo is willing to do, this is what I would like to see.

Make Ganondorf and Link best friends. I am serious. What Skyword Sword did to Link and Zelda's relationship, do that to Ganondorf. Make them close at the start of the game, maybe even family, we have seen Link play the role of an older brother figure before but not as a younger sibling. And then Ganondorf starts going evil. I do not really care how, I would not be the writer. Link would be forced to confront and fight this man he thought he knew all his life. Same formula but done in a way we haven't seen yet in this series.

I think a lot of fans are wanting to see a different side of Ganondorf instead of the King of Evil. The closest we have gotten is the end of Wind Waker. I have lost hope with Bot W doing anything new with Ganon who just seems to be a force of nature.

One idea I've had is having Ganondorf('s incarnation) know about the curse of Demise and wanting to peacefully abolish it and end the senseless cycle for good so that he can actually be a king without worry.

Either it'd result in him actually managing to help break the chains of Demise and put an end to the torment of Link and Zelda's lineage, or we'd get to see him start to slip and falter; ultimately compromising and becoming a victim of fate who's convinced himself that his ideals are still his own.

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Ganondorf and Link being friends is one thing I want to see at some point, as well as both of them having more complicated relationships with Zelda.

It's not really about getting rid of any of them in my mind; they're important people to the mythology of the series, the important thing is that they need to take their roles into newer places to make the series feel fresh.

I agree mostly with this but then there is the whole Grandfather clause thing that permeates Zelda universe and change doesn't come that easily. Hopefully with the new Breath of the Wild game, they will be more willing to try out new things with the Zelda universe.

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I don't think Ganondorf should be friends with Link considering his Triforce-powered immortality, but I do want to see a more morally ambiguous Zelda.

Though, really, in the era of ASOIAF, Zelda's continued High Fantasy Black-and-White Morality is a bit embarrassing.

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edited 1st Feb '17 7:02:26 AM by Perseus

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Wasn't it enough to see Zelda crying?

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To be fair, Nintendo has down dark stuff in the Zelda universe but it isn't grimdark and nihilistic.

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Just because you don't like it automatically means its embarrassing as a whole? These are still valid ways of telling a story. Your tastes don't have to align with everyone else's

Personally, morally ambiguous stories bore me to hell, but that's just me, if someone else likes that kind of thing, then good for them. No judging here.

edited 1st Feb '17 9:06:24 AM by Jaryl

I don't think that Zelda has ever wanted to go toe-to-toe with George R. R. Martin or other works like his - I think it's mostly content to do its own thing.

edited 1st Feb '17 9:16:03 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Because, as we all know, good storytelling is defined by being as much like whatever's popular right now instead of doing your own thing.

(Also, ASOIAF is pretty decidedly Low Fantasy, so it's not even in the same genre.)

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Problem is that whatever Zelda's doing right now just isn't really that great.

It doesn't necessarily have to do with morality specifically, but yes the Zelda storylines so far I think could be more interesting by making Zelda and Ganondorf more complex characters. As it stands now, almost all their incarnations have been ok for what they are but not particularly compelling (except for WW Ganondorf I guess.

To be honest, the state of the stories in Zelda doesn't really bother me that much because it's never been a franchise I go to for storytelling. It's just like I've said before, if they're going to put more and more emphasis on it and they're still going to be mediocre, I'd rather have a minimalist or Excuse Plot.

edited 1st Feb '17 10:01:25 AM by Draghinazzo

There's a reason why fantasy is tending towards the more morally ambiguous and relatively "realistic", though. There's just more potential in those kinds of stories than in the old, predictable stories of elves, dwarves, and humans. ASOIAF has pretty much killed straight high fantasy.

Heck, one popular extensive Zelda fanwork deals with the Hyrule universe in a more cynical way.

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You can't tell morally ambiguous stories featuring elves and dwarves? Is that what you're getting at?

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No, I'm just describing one of the conventions of High Fantasy.

Hyrule: Total War does a good job of making all sides morally ambiguous with the various races.

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Also, claiming ASOIAF killed high fantasy is an odd claim, considering it's been around for ages without damaging the genre.