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- No Navel Means Unnatural Creation? Sounds a bit wordy.
To shorten to the max: Navelless Unnatural, or Unnaturally Navelless?
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I suggested it be changed to No Navel Means Novel Creation.
Can shapeshift (probably)
Some new ones I thought of-
Umbilical Eclipsing
No Navel for a Nanofabricated Nobody
B'navel B'rith
Edited by Coachpill on Aug 3rd 2023 at 5:25:49 AM
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Rename regardless of the new name chosen
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This is gonna be a big crowner, so I'd suggest excluding from the list/skipping over the suggestions that don't emphasize the "Artificial creation" part of the trope to cut it down a bit.
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I was wondering, is anyone suggesting new names in favor of expanding the definition (from the opening post: "Proposal: Expand trope to be defined as a human character lacking a belly button as a visual cue that they had an unusual birth, including artificial creation and non-mammalian birth. Clean up all other examples.") in addition to renaming? I wouldn't mind doing that; I'll probably run a crowner for whether to do that and whether to rename instead of going solely by posts since I feel expansion should get its own chance to be voted on, and I think voting on renaming via a crowner would be a good idea in the event that anyone would prefer expanding without renaming.
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The flexibility of the trope is implied with the "isn't even placental in the first place" thing, right? Though it does read like an afterthought. Can't hurt to make the description explicitly say that humans born under unusual circumstances that make them lack bellybuttons count for the trope.
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The crowner can address that.
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Giving expand and rename for the record.
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Gonna throw Weird Birth No Navel onto the pile as well, at least for the expanded version, which I'm neutral on.
In favour of expanding to include humans hatched from eggs and other odd births.
As a fan of Ultraman Ace, I wonder if Bellybutton Stealer is common enough to be a trope...
Edited by RobertTYL on Aug 5th 2023 at 12:53:56 AM
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That would be a matter for the Trope Idea Sounding Board on Trope Talk, not this thread.
I like Weird Birth No Navel because of its brevity.
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Weird Birth, No Navel for me. Clear, Concise, and Witty.
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Agreed. I'm going with this one.
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How about No Birth No Navel?
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Weird Birth, No Navel
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I hooked a crowner.
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How about renaming it to Clones Don't Have Belly Buttons or Clones Lack Belly Buttons?
Edited by BackAlleyGuy on Aug 6th 2023 at 9:27:57 PM
Guy in the back alleys.
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The trope isn't exclusive to clones though.
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No Navel, Novel Nativity for alliteration?
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It was decided to expand Belly Buttonless to be defined as a human character lacking a belly button as a visual cue that they had an unusual birth, including artificial creation and non-mammalian birth, and cleaning up all other examples, and it was decided to rename the trope as well. What should the trope's new name be?
I agree with renaming because I feel this is tropeable. The suggestion I'm going with at the moment is![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]")
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