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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#1: Aug 2nd 2023 at 10:28:10 PM

Belly Buttonless is a trope specifically about a human character lacking a belly button as a visual cue that they were created by artificial means, usually as a clone. I was a little concerned the trope was being used in a way that was broader than the definition.

Wick check here, breakdown as follows:

  • Correct usage: 18/50 or 36%
  • Artistic style: 3/50 or 6%
  • Unusual birth: 5/50 or 10%
  • Non-mammalian birth: 4/50 or 8%
  • Other reason: 3/50 or 6%
  • No explanation: 5/50 or 10%
  • Other misuse: 10/50 or 20%
  • ZCE: 2/50 or 4%

With the 30% of other usagenote , I think we can expand the trope to include some of this misuse. Namely the unusual and non-mammaliannote  birth categories. I don't really believe the artistic style and other reason categories to be tropeworthy so those, alongside the 20% misuse, no explanation (which I theorize to be mostly artistic style or error), and ZCEs should be deleted in cleanup.
Proposal: Expand trope to be defined as a human character lacking a belly button as a visual cue that they had an unusual birth, including artificial creation and non-mammalian birth. Clean up all other examples.

Edited by Hello83433 on Aug 2nd 2023 at 2:42:36 PM

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#3: Aug 2nd 2023 at 11:03:31 PM

Psst, your math is off. You have 5/50 listed as 10% but 4/50 listed as .08%; it should be 8%. Properly calculated, your "other use" supercategory is more like 30%.

Expanded or no, I suspect this may need a rename or else it'll continue to attract chairs-y examples. Even expanded and properly calculated, correct use under the expanded definition would only be 54%.

Edited by MorganWick on Aug 2nd 2023 at 11:07:56 AM

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#5: Aug 2nd 2023 at 11:44:20 PM

[up][up] Thank you for pointing that out. Should be fixed now, also note to not do math when tired.

I do see the sense in also renaming the trope along with expansion, given the misuse. Something that has a bit more context in it.

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#9: Aug 3rd 2023 at 2:21:07 AM

[up] Both your suggestions are decent, but don't really emphasize the "artificial creation" part of the trope.

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GracieLizzy Usagi's done something stupid again (she/her) from Sunderland, UK Since: Dec, 2012
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#10: Aug 3rd 2023 at 3:46:05 AM

Naveless Notification Of Non Standard Natal Method

Bit long though

So I can't think of anything right now... meh.
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#12: Aug 3rd 2023 at 5:59:13 AM

Navelessness Non Standard Natal Notice

So I can't think of anything right now... meh.
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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#14: Aug 3rd 2023 at 6:27:18 AM

"No Belly Button? Not Birthed."

Since eggs and decanting and stuff aren't being "born".

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#19: Aug 3rd 2023 at 8:35:38 AM

[up] Leaning on the "Artificial Being" one.

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#21: Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:43:28 AM

Renaming is fine. I'll go through the names later to see if there's one I prefer.

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#22: Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:59:22 AM

[up][up] In favor of either Artificial Being suggestions but I'm going to ahead and add some of my own because why not:

MustHaveBeenWhile''U''mbilicalingMe

Artificial Coal From My Stocking

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#23: Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:11:45 PM

No Navel Means Unnatural Creation?

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#24: Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:24:37 PM

Swap "unnatural" for "novel".

GracieLizzy Usagi's done something stupid again (she/her) from Sunderland, UK Since: Dec, 2012
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#25: Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:52:27 PM

[up] that suggestion works [tup]

So I can't think of anything right now... meh.

Trope Repair Shop: Belly Buttonless
9th Aug '23 12:15:44 PM

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It was decided to expand Belly Buttonless to be defined as a human character lacking a belly button as a visual cue that they had an unusual birth, including artificial creation and non-mammalian birth, and cleaning up all other examples, and it was decided to rename the trope as well. What should the trope's new name be?

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