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WarJay77 She's a cute red monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Feb 9th 2022 at 11:58:06 AM

I mean, keep in mind, that cleanup was handled very poorly. You had some people who moved everything and other people who decided to just slash and burn everything. We still have no real evidence the new name for it is attracting misuse.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 9th 2022 at 2:58:38 PM

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Feb 9th 2022 at 5:26:15 PM

To the question of CR or CRA as a new name though, three word names are just not overly worry. And CR, as I said previously, runs into the same problem as the current name.

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 10th 2022 at 7:00:42 AM

[up][up]Yeah, Surprisingly Realistic Outcome is a bad example of how to do a rename (or a good example of how not to do a rename, depending on how you look at it).

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Nightshade92 from The Big Rotten Apple Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
Feb 10th 2022 at 8:22:18 AM

FWIW, I know a lot of people who refer to themselves as ďCulturally Jewish.Ē Itís possible thatís a predominately North American thing, though. Adding Atheist seems like itís getting overly specific without much of a gain in clarity, and could create a nitpicking problem.

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Feb 10th 2022 at 6:57:28 PM

"Atheist" does seem to narrow down the trope unnecessarily. A former Muslim/Jew who converts to, say, Christianity but still sticks to a Halal/Kosher diet would be an example of this trope, even if they're still religious.

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Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
Feb 11th 2022 at 5:06:53 AM

[up] yes, I agree it might be too narrow

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Feb 11th 2022 at 10:40:10 AM

[up][up][up]I think it might be Jewish-specific in the way that "raised Catholic" is Catholic-specific. I've never heard "Culturally Christian" or "Culturally Muslim", probably because those religions are larger and more spread-out.

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Feb 11th 2022 at 10:49:43 AM

I've heard culturally Christian, mostly as a way to point out "You have Christian values because this culture has Christian values, even but you were raised with them so you didn't notice the way people who weren't raised Christian do." Things like "Christmas is secular!" (no) or a lot of moralizing common in society.

WarJay77 She's a cute red monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Feb 11th 2022 at 12:23:00 PM

That's why I suggested Nonbeliever instead of Atheist, which doesn't necessarily mean they don't believe in any religion.

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Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
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Feb 11th 2022 at 2:45:24 PM

Would "Culturally Religious But Lapsed" cover it, even if it is a bit awkward?

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GastonRabbit MOD The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 13th 2022 at 8:50:43 AM

Calling in favor of Culturally Religious. I can probably move the page later if someone else doesn't beat me to it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 13th 2022 at 10:51:11 AM

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 13th 2022 at 9:06:21 AM

OK, I moved the page and subpages, updated the Administrivia.Renamed Tropes entry, noted the rename in the Renamed Tropes thread, and posted a notice on the old discussion page.

Here are the wicks. The Good Catholic redirect doesn't have any wicks to go through.

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Feb 13th 2022 at 1:19:47 PM

Should we change something in the description, if everybody is in agreement with the rename?

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 14th 2022 at 5:52:34 PM

If changes need to be made to the description, feel free to make them. I didn't change anything when moving the page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 14th 2022 at 7:52:47 AM

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 19th 2022 at 4:58:19 PM

I changed the description a bit, mainly to more clearly indicate that examples don't have to involve Catholicism. I'll probably go through the on-page examples in the near future, and probably also at least some of the wicks, since Macron and I finished up Beauty Mark's thread earlier.

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 19th 2022 at 5:46:28 PM

Triple posting because the on-page examples have been taken care of (the vast majority of it was misuse; oddly, the section with the highest amount of proper usage was the real life folder), so the only cleanup left to do is taking care of the wicks, of which there are currently 602.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 19th 2022 at 7:53:56 AM

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Feb 19th 2022 at 7:14:37 PM

Thank you a lot, should we remove all the examples using the literal meaning of the trope (someone being raised as a catholic) or move them to somewhere else?

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 20th 2022 at 5:02:00 AM

[up]I'm pretty sure a character being raised Catholic with no further implications on their life is People Sit on Chairs on its own and thus wouldn't have anywhere to move it to, so I'm pretty sure those should be deleted.

We're just moving examples of a character who was raised religious (which can involve religions other than Catholicism) but became irreligious later in life, yet their life continues to be affected by their old religion.

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 20th 2022 at 7:23:56 AM

I dewicked Main/, and most of it was misuse that interpreted the trope name literally as "character had a Catholic upbringing", not unlike the on-page examples I purged. That took the wick count down from 602 to 548.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2022 at 9:26:08 AM

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Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
Feb 20th 2022 at 7:48:49 AM

Thank you!

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Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
Feb 20th 2022 at 8:23:31 AM

I noticed the examples of the wicks were mostly using the trope as just a synonym for catholic. Do you think a short clean up subforum is necessary?

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 20th 2022 at 8:26:48 AM

[up]We don't need a separate thread for cleanup. Cleanup is being done through this thread.

As for it being used as a synonym for Catholic, one of the worst cases I saw of that was written as though someone did a search and replace that changed "Catholic" to "Raised Catholic", which resulted in text saying a character had "a Raised Catholic upbringing", which is redundant because "raised" and "upbringing" have the same connotations.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2022 at 10:29:06 AM

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GastonRabbit The world's forgotten boy (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
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Feb 21st 2022 at 8:52:17 AM

Down to 365. I'm saving the Characters/ namespace for last.

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Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:36:59 AM

Question:

Wouldn't it be more suitable to call the new trope "RAISED Religiously", rather than "Culturally Religious"? Exact same definition and description, just different name

WarJay77 She's a cute red monster from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:39:00 AM

Not quite. If that was true, most of the usage here wouldn't just be practicing Catholics. "Culturally" means you keep the cultural aspects of the religion (such as no sex before marriage) but don't actually follow the religion itself (so no going to Church or praying).

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9th Feb '22 5:25:08 AM

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What should we rename Raised Catholic to?

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