“No one’s ever really gone.” *Willem Dafoe Goblin laugh*
"Misery misery misery"
I actually think Dafoe is by far the thing I'm most excited for in this.
Foreign Troper
Yeah, if the good Doctor is actually on the side of the angels here, I'd love for him and Gobby to have a showdown.
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I especially want to see Ock give Gobbo lip about his runt of a son.
Goku Black
Oh btw.
I saw that someone noted that at the end Lizard jumps at nothing at the end. Being way too low to hit MCU spidey.....in the Brazilian version they didn't edit out that lizard gets punched by something invisible as well. Garfield and Tobey are definitely in this. Just been edited out here
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Edited by Cross on Nov 17th 2021 at 11:07:13 AM
I can't help but think that Strange is a Story Breaker Power, nothing is stopping him from beating the villains with a flick of the wrist.
Foreign Troper
Maybe they are immune to his magic due to not being from this world.
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We don't know enough about the context to tell. The trailer gives the impression Strange will basically be acting as the Barrier Maiden trying to stop / slow the process of reality breaking apart sinngle-handedly ("They're coming through...and I can't stop them!") which would be a simple way of writing him out of the main conflict: he's spending all his energy just making sure the world doesn't collapse.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
I'm almost sensing a double-bluff with these obvious edit-outs.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
They’ve got to nerf him somehow since it looks like Peter actually fights him at one point.
Instead of Andrew and Tobey, Lizard is actually jumping at... Alternate Universe Iron Man!
New Tom Holland interview with GQ Magazine
. It's generally Holland have a huge retrospective about his acting career, with Spider-Man being the a big rollercoaster turning point in how he wants to pursue his acting career. Some NWH relevant nuggets include:
Anyway, the day finally came to shoot the big finale, “the crescendo scene, like, is this really fucking happening? It’s crazy.” Only, it wasn’t working. “I kept stopping and being like, ‘I’m so sorry, I just don’t believe what I’m saying.’ ” The director, Jon Watts, took him aside, and Holland told him: It wasn’t me. The scene was wrong. “We sat down, we went through it, and we came up with a new idea,” Holland says. “Then we pitched it to the writers, they rewrote it, and it works great.”
“I’ve talked to him about doing, like, 100 more,” Pascal tells me. “I’m never going to make Spider-Man movies without him. Are you kidding me?”
Holland, however, isn’t so sure. “Maybe it is time for me to move on. Maybe what’s best for Spider-Man is that they do a Miles Morales film. I have to take Peter Parker into account as well, because he is an important part of my life,” he says. But also: “If I’m playing Spider-Man after I’m 30, I’ve done something wrong.”
The Man Outside Reality
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Goes to show how ridiculously easy it is to turn off actors from a franchise if the producers have no idea what they're doing. Whether it be repeating the same thing over and over again because that's all they know, or by creating a tumultuous work environment that freaks everyone out.
Gosh the appeal of the MCU is that you potentially do get to see characters age in real time, unlike the comics.
But if comics synergy means no one will allow that, we're missing out.
The Head of the Hydra
Peter hasn't even been a high-school student in decades anyway.
The guys a grown-ass man with everything that entails.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I wonder what they'd do to shelve Holland's Spidey after this film. Kill him? Drop in a portal to another universe? De-power him? He forgets he was ever Spider-Man?
How ironic that the previous film was like "Iron Man is dead, now his Peter apprentice takes the mantle", and then this one's like "no more Peter Parker".
Surrounded by weirdoes
Spider-Man always was in a tightrope since someone else has the movie rights and they don't want to let them go.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Well if Tom says he intends to keep the role until he's thirty's, that's five more years of the role, which is possibly enough to commit him to a trilogy of Peter at university at least.
Still annoys me though because I find Peter Parker as a character really interesting once he graduates and enters the world of work and has to deal with effectively being a grown up child celebrity.
The Head of the Hydra
Well if anything they'll prolly recast him with another actor and basically go "This him after several years growth spurt"
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Honestly these Holland comments coming out doesn't surprise me. As good as the pay is, doing all of these movies have to be taxing. Even though he's only "just" joined the MCU, he's done 6 big-budget blockbusters for them. it's got to be both physically and mentally draining.
Hell Daniel Craig had all those years breaks in between the Bond movies and he never hid how miserable the filming made him, so I have to imagine it's amplified even more with the MCU since they do so much filming back to back.
Realistically I could see them just "retiring" Peter rather than killing him off. Do what they did in the clone saga of Peter moving out to Oregon with MJ and have Miles take up the mantle.
Edited by Lionheart0 on Nov 17th 2021 at 6:30:40 AM
Although Tom is a huge proponent of Spidey being recast after him, I would imagine MARVEL would rather avoid recasting without at least a temporary retirement of the character.
Which makes me think we'll not see an adult life Peter Parker until at least six years of a collage life Peter Parker trilogy, and then at least a half a decade retirement of the character while they instead focus on Miles and let the public's loyalty to Tom's performance wane a bit.
That's assuming Sony and Marvel are still on speaking terms at that point.
The Head of the Hydra
And huh considering that upcoming cartoon is a prequel to Homecoming, wouldn't be surprising if Marvel shifts to animation to keep the Holland Spider-Man alive even if Holland is no longer involved.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I actually prefer High School Peter personally and this would be the last Spidey High School one anyways.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Anybody else notice at 1:57 in the trailer that Doctor Octopus is seemingly stealing Peter's nanotech suit and using it to upgrade his robot arms? That's... kind of cool if that's what is really happening.