Misused: Knight Of Cerebus

We already voted on what to do with the definition and only decided to allow non-serial works. That's the only definition change we're making.

Edit: These are the options we voted on. Only allowing non-serial works and renaming won, and we're probably going to end up overturning the latter.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 15th 2022 at 3:31:42 AM

It seems people aren't good with a rename overwhelmingly.

I updated the description to account for the fact that non-serial works are now allowed, and removed wicks to Cerebus Syndrome per what was previously said about Cerebus Syndrome being for serial works (meaning this is no longer a subtrope of it).

Here are the wicks to go through.

oh joy.

e: I've noticed the wick cleaning summary

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 20th 2022 at 6:52:04 PM

This is what I added to TRS Wick Cleaning:

• Only applies to villains whose introduction causes a lasting Tone Shift that makes an initially lighthearted work significantly darker. If the Tone Shift is short-lived or only occurs in scenes featuring the villain, remove the example.

It's possible that I missed something since I only reviewed the previous crowner's results instead of the whole thread, so feel free to correct me if I missed anything and also feel free to revise the TRS Wick Cleaning entry.

The problem with not renaming is that most Tropers won’t notice anything has changed, so unless we have a dedicated cleanup thread to delete misuse, I expect this to still be horribly misused. For instance, the FNAF “examples” should not be up at all, as the series is dark from the beginning of game 1.

Come to think of it, maybe Darker Tone Shift Villain could have been a decent name.

Anyway, I will go through the wicks and start cutting the obvious misuse.

Edited by MasterN on Jan 21st 2022 at 7:49:46 AM

Just to clarify, before I remove anything I shouldn't: is it still the case that, if a work opens gently and seemingly light-hearted, but was intended from the outset to get darker as the work carries on, then there's also no Knight of Cerebus either. Is it still the case, or are we say that a Knight of Cerebus herald's the tone shift, regardless of whether the creators have decided to change a work's direction, or planned the shift from the very beginning (thus making the Knight of Cerebus a Herald Of The Main Plot)?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 22nd 2022 at 2:12:58 AM

The only change we made is allowing examples from non-serial works, so all that matters is that the character signals a lasting tone shift that makes the work darker, as opposed to either short-lived tone shifts or tone shifts that only happen when the character is present.

If I had a measurement, I'd just use a character that tells that the "good" Prolonged Prologue stops. (aka cue Doomed Hometown or Wake-Up Call Boss).

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 22nd 2022 at 3:08:25 PM

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

How is the wick cleaning going? I’m helping out a little, but it would help to have tropes more familiar with the works in question.

It might be a good idea to make a sandbox to keep track of which namespaces have been cleaned, since the name hasn't been changed.

So I was looking at some KOC entries and I found this one on Baywatch (2017).

• Knight of Cerebus: Victoria Leeds is a murderous psychopath and crime lord, and clashes greatly with the film's increased focus on comedy (the show had the occasional criminal showing up, so she wouldn't have been too odd there).

This seems to fit on the surface but the problem this movie is rated R despite being comedic. So I am not sure if it fits and if it does not I can't think of a trope it does because this seems like some trope but not sure which.

Does this have a sandbox for keeping track of cleanup, similarly to how the Actually Pretty Funny thread has Sandbox.Actually Pretty Clean?

I'm sorry to just drop by like this but what will be done to the Cerebus Syndrome trope? That one isnt as misused as Knight Of Cerebus as far as I know and it's a real trope even outside of TV Tropes.

Nothing, unless it gets its own thread in the future.

And given how misused that is, I will most likely take it to TRS myself.

I'm also curious about that and I assume there's no sandbox yet tracking what to clean?

I'm leaning toward no since I got no answer when I tried asking, so it wouldn't hurt to make one.

We should also probably make a cleanup thread, too.

If other tropes aren't going to be brought up to own TRS in near future, I'd say to leave this for Cerebus-wide Cleanup.

Actually...