Misused: Dueling Works

Honestly, I think your proposed layout looks fine. If necessary, we can add line breaks using double or triple backslashes.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 25th 2021 at 10:40:49 AM

that looks way better than the table format

Edited by idonom on Sep 25th 2021 at 11:08:32 AM

Looking good HMHC.

The following pages have the same table formatting issue:

Sandbox.Pantheonic Voice Actor Database English Voice Actors A To F, Pantheonic Voice Actor Database English Voice Actors G To M, Pantheonic Voice Actor Database English Voice Actors N To Z, and Pantheonic Voice Actor Database Seiyuu

Edited by costanton11 on Sep 26th 2021 at 8:49:51 AM

Well, we'll have to tackle those another time. Especially since they're Pantheon pages- why not just let the Pantheon thread deal with them?

I did bring it up there as well.

Yeah, this isn't a generic "let's fix tables" thread. If they want it fixed, they're capable of fixing it themselves.

The crowner was hooked on the 25th, so I think it'll be safe to call on the 28th. It's currently overwhelmingly in favor of removing the table layout, removing the win/lose part, and keeping it as Trivia while focusing on behind-the-scenes details like release dates and media coverage.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 27th 2021 at 2:16:33 PM

If, after fixing everything, it seems better suited for YMMV than Trivia, then we can consider moving it. No need to be too hasty right now.

What should we do with the older TRS thread by the way?

Not sure what you mean by that. Older threads for this trope? Nothing.

This thread, I mean.

I do think it had been used as a cleanup thread too at some point.

Like I said, we don't need to "do" anything with that. If it needs cleanup, we can resume the effort when this closes.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2021 at 3:02:51 PM

Okay.

Well, the crowner is overwhelmingly in favor of these three items:

• Getting rid of the table layout
• Removing the win/lose part of it
• Keeping Dueling Works as trivia, but focusing on the behind-the-scenes details (release dates, news outlets hyping up the rivalry, etc.)

These three are not only the only ones in the green, but all of them are well in the green (the lowest winner, keeping it as Trivia, has almost 40 votes in favor of it and just 4 against it). It's been 4 days, so I think it's safe to call.

Sweet.

This has been a matter of concern for some time. From this ATT.

Apparetnly, there's a DuelingWorksLiveActionTV.Childrens Show, which is not a proper namespace. Since the table format and the win/lose results should be removed, should we cutlist DuelingWorksLiveActionTV.Childrens Show and restore/transplant the entries from the DuelingWorks.Live Action TV.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Sep 30th 2021 at 3:53:47 AM

oh yeah, somebody's been making a lot of those pages recently, but this one's existed since November of last year. Considering the massive on-page cleanup I'm assuming is going to happen now, we probably won't need any of the subpages anyway. Maybe don't cut it until then?

(Edit) wait, I didn't read the rest of the thread, apparently it was made by the same person as the rest of the "Children's Show" pages. Yeah, we don't need it, but I'd still wait for the cleanup first, to see if any of the examples actually are valid.

Edited by WoodKnapp94 on Sep 29th 2021 at 4:02:33 AM

I think some things need to be established before the work starts in earnest:

1. The DW definition says that "works must be released in the same time period." How long is a "time period"? On the one page I've looked over so far, I've seen works released the same year and works released 17 years apart. A lot of them are just "two shows that have something in common" rather than "shows that were placed up against each other by the creators."

2. What should be done with the "Results/Aftermath" column? I know we should remove the "winner/loser" aspect, but most of the worthwhile content is contained in that column so deleting it outright seems a bit foolhardy...

Edited by HeavyMetalHermitCrab on Sep 30th 2021 at 9:04:50 AM

I think within a period of time between six and 12 months would be reasonable, since one work may have had a slightly longer development time (due to delays, Development Hell, etc.) and thus may have been released a bit later than the other work, but is otherwise competing with a similar work. 17 years is definitely stretching the definition of "dueling".

I think the "Results" column and the "Win/Lose" column are one and the same, so we should remove that column in favor of just listing the works that are competing with each other. I suppose we can replace the "Results" column with a "Summary" column that only contains objective information about what the works have in common and how they're competing with each other, without the subjective aspect of deciding which one is the "winner" and which one is the "loser".

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 30th 2021 at 11:17:59 AM

The entire table layout is being removed so there won't be a result column. Personally, I think a paragraph describing the duel between the works would be fine. I don't think a results portion is necessary, but it's not forbidden. Meaning, that if there was a clear consensus winner, then by all means, a person can add a sentence describing that, but if there wasn't or it's a lot more YMMV, then I don't think pressuring someone to claim a winner is helpful and will lead to unnecessary edit warring.

Yeah this was part of my suggestion from earlier. I think released within a year of each other makes sense for most things but there might be long running tv series that ends up in a duel with a new series. Like Grey's Anatomy is coming to an end on season 16 or something. A show created anywhere in that time span that aired at the same time could potentially duel with it despite being released maybe 5 or even 10 years later. That context would have to be provided and justified though.

I personally would like to discuss the "time period" more as well; the suggestion of a year was hastily added in the crowner and downvoted so we don't have to go with that, but I think it warrants a more concrete guideline regardless.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 4th 2021 at 2:29:15 PM

We're talking time period as in, the time in which the works were released, right? Not as a waiting period?

Can two shows from the same streaming service enter a duel with each other? The Book of Boba Fett premiering on the same day that Hawkeye airs either its series finale, or its first season finale, seems to me like Disney+ pitting both tentpoles head-to-head.

That strikes me as a pretty weird thing for a company to do. Isn't it more likely that they're hoping people will watch them both?