Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
I already merged Eda back but what about Lilith? Her page has around 64k bytes and The Emperor's Coven page has 58k if we don't include her. I feel she should be moved back there as the main character page is too big and her being in Owl House section is a spoiler in and itself.
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I think Breath of the Wild Ganondorf and Marvel Comics Red Skull should stay as they are. Marvel Comics: Frank Castle (52,321 char) should at least be merged with The Punisher: The Character (4,790 char, extremely small for a page). And from how I'm seeing these pages, The Punisher MAX - The Punisher (58,116 char) could be merged into The Punisher MAX - Allies (38,246 char) and the latter page be renamed into The Punisher MAX The Punisher And Allies or something similar to that.
Regarding the One Piece pages, I'll come up with propositions with regards to the Straw Hats and Supernovas later. For now at least, should One Piece: Kaido (88,048 chars) be merged into One Piece: Animal Kingdom Pirates (143,076 chars) or One Piece: Lead Performers (94,855 chars, would be renamed if Kaido gets merged here)? And as for One Piece: Charlotte Pudding (54,027 chars), the One Piece: Big Mom Pirates page (222,563 chars) could have its officers split off (around 150-160k chars) and Pudding merged into there. Is that a feasible idea, or would it be better to hold off on Pudding for now?
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Cool, so it's just OG Ganon that needs to be merged back.
With Frank, it's similar to Spiderman The Character
EDIT: Should the thread topper be changed?
Edited by ACW on Mar 6th 2024 at 1:20:36 PM
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hey - I'm not sure how the thread topper is changed, but yes, it should if possible. Does a mod, or the original poster have to do it, perhaps?
The Ultimate Lifeform
So does anyone agree with what I proposed here?
he/him
I'll do that later.
Unless there's any objection, I'll probably reduce the amount of duplication and emphasize that the Administrivia page is the definitive policy.
Ok brill, thank you
Anne and Sasha can be merged back into the parent pages. The other three specific pages are too large to merge back, I think.
Edited by lexii on Mar 6th 2024 at 7:34:08 PM
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I agree with you, but unfortunately I think every character page that doesn't fit the requirements WILL have to go.
Edited by ACW on Mar 6th 2024 at 2:30:24 PM
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The Ultimate Lifeform
Not true. I saw people planning to merge back like 100k byte pages, and only Andrias has over 100k bytes to begin with. The Core is inflated by also including King Aldrich so they could be two different folders on one page that could also include Andrias. Marcy has only 80k bytes so she could just go back to the main Newtopia page.
The Draftsman of Doom
Is a separate page really necessary from Blofeld for Oberhauser? I'm sure there's at least some misuse that needs to be cleaned up from the latter.
Also, is Ronno's page strictly necessary?
Rawr.
Marvel Comics: Eddie Brock has 63,618 characters
Marvel Comics: Flash Thompson has 35,213 characters
Marvel Comics: Cletus Kasady has 60,903 characters split between the original and his clones
Edited by Arawn999 on Mar 6th 2024 at 12:01:08 PM
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Oberhauser could probably be merged back.
I took care of OG Ganondorf.
As much of a pain potholes will be, Cletus could probably get merged back with Marvel Comics: Carnage. Eddie and Flash probably with Main Hosts of Venom.
Edited by ACW on Mar 6th 2024 at 2:58:04 PM
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Main Hosts has 49,085 characters in total.
Huh? Then what's the cutoff point? The header says 40k characters/bytes.
Edited by Arawn999 on Mar 6th 2024 at 12:03:21 PM
The Ultimate Lifeform
It's 40k+ if the profile is on a page that has already been broken off of larger pages.
Hmm... Marvel Comics: Carnage has 117,314 characters in total. Would adding Cletus and his clones back in put it over the limit?
No, that'd work - it'd be 117k + 66k for Cletus.
@Forgo Light - yeah, ok great, that works.
Edited by lexii on Mar 6th 2024 at 8:14:57 PM
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Though doesn't it need to be merged back if the new page would be under 250K? Or am I completely wrong and merging OG Ganondorf back was a waste of time?
I merged back Steve Rogers, which I think WASN'T a waste of time.
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If a work's character page has got very large (over 250k bytes/characters), it should be split into smaller sub-groups (e.g. Team Alice and Team Bob) — that must be the first action. However, if one of those sub-groups then inflates beyond 250k characters as well, one way of managing the page size is to then split off a heavy-byte character from the sub-page (e.g. Alice is over 40k bytes, and has been cleaned up, so then gets her own page to relieve the overly-long page). Option 1 should always be tried first.
@Sky Cat 32 - in both of those instances, they can be merged back as the parent pages will be under the 250k count with them included.
Edited by lexii on Mar 6th 2024 at 8:45:49 PM
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The Legend of Zelda: The Triforce Wielders with Ganondorf merged back is still under 180K, so that's fine?
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Hi guys. I am still going to do the Ducktales merges but I am dealing with a broken ankle, so I don't know when.
Edited by Bullman on Mar 6th 2024 at 3:00:10 AM
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Get well soon, Bullman!
I can see that each game seems to have its own Link / Zelda / Ganon version on its character page, so are these three Tri-Force Wielders sort of the 'uber' examples of those characters across the series? I guess they are fine where they are if that's the case, as I'm not sure where they'd sit otherwise?
Edited by lexii on Mar 6th 2024 at 9:57:11 AM
Alright I'll probably get started on cleaning Dragon Age either tonight or tomorrow
CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
I have some ideas for cleaning up characters in regards to Fairy Tail.
I just want to made this clear first, I’m currently not in a position to make these changes myself but if someone else wants to use these ideas then they are more then free to do so.
In regards to Fairy Tail I think the best option would be to merge back Erza Scarlet and Natsu Dragneel with the Strongest Team as the Strongest Team is just a little over a 100 thousand while Erza is close to 50 thousand and Natsu is around 57 thousand.
The reason why I have not said anything about remerging Lucy Heartfilia’s Page (around 57 thousand) is because in Lucy’s case we could split her current folders into a General Lucy folder and a Present Lucy folder (she has enough tropes to do that) and then move Future Lucy’s page from the Others Page and add her to the Lucy character page. If we did this Lucy’s overall page would be close to 70 thousand and she would be more then big enough to stay.
I think that it would be best to keep Juvia seperate from the Sirius Team as if Juvia was remerged with them the Sirius Team would be to big with her their. Juvia’s Page is around 42 thousand while the Sirius Team Page is over 180 thousand so they would be around 220 thousand or above.
Lastly Zeref’s page (around 75 thousand) can just be remerged with the main villains page (around 50 thousand) as the page isn’t big enough for Zeref to be split from it.
Edited by Will426 on Mar 7th 2024 at 2:36:18 AM
Probably a good idea.
EDIT: If no objections, I'll do the Captain America merger when I get home from work.
EDIT: Cap's central rogues gallery is under 80K; Red Skull is over 189K, so I think he's good.
EDIT: Frank Castle could probably be merged? I dunno. And I think the one from MAX is good.
EDIT: I'll also merge Ganondorf back with the Triforce Wielders. What do we wanna do about The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild — Ganondorf?
Edited by ACW on Mar 6th 2024 at 9:13:20 AM
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