Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
Friends forevermore
Rosalina isn't a literal princess, but she's often grouped with Peach and Daisy by the fandom.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
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Thank you — I don't mind either way, though having looked into it a little more, it does seem that she's not officially designated a princess (by Nintendo) in the same way that Peach and Daisy are, so maybe she belongs where she was originally housed before she was moved?
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Did we ever decide what to do with the Doctor Who pages?
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
No, because nobody else has been weighing in on it
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sorry Bullman - was this your suggestion:
I personally think making it to the revival era as well makes sense because otherwise it just seems odd to have mainline doctors listed with one off or minor incarnations.
I'll support this if it helps.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I'm still on the side of "the other pages shouldn't have some grandfather status" because I don't agree with the idea of allowing random rule exceptions. We should just merge the other doctors back. This wouldn't be a debate for any other work.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 18th 2024 at 1:12:18 PM
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Anjail
I want to make a page for Rcules Husty from Ohsama Sentai King-Ohger since he is less than 1500 characters away from reaching the quota.
Can others help me with his sandbox?
Ohsama Sentai King Ohger Rcules Husty
Just a some guy.
I don't think getting 1500 more bytes should be too difficult, just find stuff to put in as long as it is accurate.
On a second note; I created a sandbox for Tony Montana from Scarface (1983) with over 40,000 bytes. Does he now meet the requirements for his own page, or is there other work that needs to be done first?
Edited by Bluedeadredemption on Jan 19th 2024 at 8:21:59 AM
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He is big enough but Scarface (1983) would only be 27,777 bytes without him.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 19th 2024 at 1:35:36 PM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Also keep in mind, even if a character is getting close to the limit, cleanup must be done first and that can sometimes shrink a page rather decently.
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Bullman: Well Scraface's character sheet probably needs work done to it regardless, so maybe I should make more edits to the page so as to see where it is later on.
War Jay 77: Well, yeah. I did some work on Tony's page so as to ensure that there are no outdated tropes or anything like that, unless you mean on the character sheet of course, but that could be fixed.
Edited by Bluedeadredemption on Jan 19th 2024 at 11:45:20 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Well, that, but also removing ZCE, cutting misuse, removing things that don't belong on character pages, stuff like that. Character pages can be rife with issues.
I'm also unsure if we should be considering moving the character off when they haven't reached the limit yet? That's more for Rcules, though.
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Anjail
I managed to add a description to this sandbox so that it's over 40,000 characters now
Ohsama Sentai King Ohger Rcules Husty
Can I release it?
Just a some guy.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Again, the page needs cleanup. I'm seeing misuse and context issues and I haven't left the C's yet. There are also tropes that I'm not sure are technically character tropes. Dialogue stuff for instance.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 20th 2024 at 5:05:32 AM
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Just stating on Mass Effect 2 Council Space NPCs that the Illusive Man's folder is over 44k bytes
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Musician/Composer
On Characters.Fairy Tail Erza Scarlet, there's a section dedicated to detailing Erza's numerous weapons, armor, and costumes. Given that, I have a quick question: should we fold those particular tropes into her character tropes due to the rule on inanimate objects?
Edited by gjjones on Jan 21st 2024 at 1:51:14 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Hey - I've never seen a work list out a character's outfits this way and this character doesn't seem exceptional in a way that the usual approach doesn't work — I recommend folding them back in where relevant.
Hey - a character splitting off into their own individual page isn't just an automatic thing when they reach a certain byte count. Clean-up of their page must be done, as War Jay 77 has noted, but also, the SCP guidelines state clearly that "(And) most importantly, other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups." Has that been tried?
@Bluedeadredemption - Hey - the Tony Montana example is unnecessary in my opinion, as the page is only 73k bytes - removing him is not required from a technical standpoint, and that is the primary purpose of this exercise.
Edited by lexii on Jan 22nd 2024 at 11:44:31 AM
The Undercover Troper
Sandbox.Persona 5 Yaldabaoth has been on standby for the last 3 months. Considering he exceeds 70,000 bytes, should he be ready for launch?
Orcus on His Throne will always be my pet peeve.
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Musician/Composer
Just merged the weapon folder back into the character folders where appropriate, citing this thread.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
So, Arcane: Silco is only 38,038 bytes and Arcane: Main Characters is only 116,072 bytes. Should he be merged back?
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The Ultimate Lifeform
As a head's up, King Clawthorne has a byte count in excess of 40k. Should he get his own page now?
"Us weirdos have to stick together!"
Yes, I'd say so — they're under the threshold, and that page isn't overly long with the character included.
The main page where that character sits is currently in total only 67k bytes, so there is no reason from a technical standpoint to split this character off right now.
Edited by lexii on Jan 13th 2024 at 12:26:55 PM