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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
Lost in Space
If anyone is uncomfortable publicly discussing problematic behavior, you are welcome and encouraged to send a Holler. Since ATT cannot be Hollered directly, reporting a forum post and then including a link to the problematic query is fine.
A person currently suspended Hollering misbehavior from someone else is... well, it's the sort of thing that we look on with skepticism since it's so often done in bad faith, but we will examine each situation on an individual basis. There is no absolute rule that you may not Holler if you are suspended.
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 27th 2021 at 2:18:39 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Overpowered
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Thank you.
A former thief accusin' a thief of theft isn't hypocripsy, because it could just mean they have learned.
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
Please decline the cut request for TearJerker.Splinter Cell, I meant to cutlist TearJerker.Splinter Cell 1.
CG for short
I think you're supposed to decline cut requests on the Locked Page Edit thread.
I declined it anyhow.
Question. Currently in a spat with someone about an edit on a YMMV page and the guy messaged me the description of YMMV
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YMMV
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"Your Mileage May Vary", "YMMV", "Your Mileage Might Vary" - or any other form of calling something subjective is bad wiki writing. Opinions, perspectives, disagreements or doubts don't belong in examples or descriptions. Keep them off and Repair, Don't Respond. Articles are neither arguable nor debatable.
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Is this the actual description for YMMV tropes, because it really does strike me as one that basically invalidates most YMMV tropes (ensemble darkhorse, scrappy, broken base....). and I want to be sure I can respond to it properly.
the Retromancer
Shouldn't it be "don't belong in non-YMMV examples"? Otherwise I'm consufed what it's trying to say.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
That does sound like it is what it is supposed to mean, but I wouldn't mind a confirmation on the matter.
Hi
I think that’s what they’re trying to say.
Moon Queen and Wanderer
Didn't people used to end examples with something like "but your mileage may vary" sometimes back in the wild west days? Maybe it's telling people not to do that?
Edited by Afterword on Dec 29th 2021 at 9:56:19 AM
A smile better suits a hero
the Retromancer
I've also considered that, but nobody has been doing that in ages. At least it gets removed quickly if noted.
Edited by Amonimus on Dec 29th 2021 at 5:59:43 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
What edit are you disputing on anyway? If the entry is in a YMMV page, of course it's bound to be subjective, and the PM you quoted makes little sense.
Moon Queen and Wanderer
It looks like they're citing Main/YMMV instead of Home Page
A smile better suits a hero
I think what it's trying to say is that Examples Are Not Arguable, You don't write a trope, even a YMMV trope, by saying something like "Work could be this trope ...", "Arguably..." or "This could possibly be CharacterX"
Even YMMV tropes are about documented fan reactions and not just "Your mileage may vary but I think that ...".
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Oversized Garden Ornament
I interpret it this way as well. Examples of YMMV tropes are of course allowed (on YMMV pages), but the examples are bot arguable. That is, you’re not allowed to write an example like:
Trope: Alice is probably this, but YMMV and some people may disagree.
Lost in Space
That is correct. Note that YMMV examples should include in their descriptions any criteria that would add relevant context. Weasel words like "some fans think" should be avoided. These examples are not supposed to be one person's opinion but reflect prevalent thinking among the work's audience or have specific examples that one can point to. As an example, an Alternate Character Interpretation should ideally be demonstrated by existing fics or forum discussions.
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 29th 2021 at 2:06:37 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Thanks. The whole 'that is for main pages' was a good clarification on what that was supposed to mean.
Just found out that I'm still suspended from a section of the forums, namely the Forum Games. So once again, I promise to never mess up there if you allow me there again.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If you're here because you couldn't post in the Edit Banned thread, see if you can post there now. I tweaked your suspension configuration a bit to see if it'll allow you to post there, because for some reason subforum-specific suspensions don't allow people to post in the Edit banned thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 31st 2021 at 1:50:49 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Redmess
That's a well-known issue with the ban system, I'm sure the other mods can tell you all about it.
Optimism is a duty.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I've already seen discussion regarding it. The workaround I tried to apply was issuing a liveblogs suspension, because few (if any) users actually use that part of the site. I'm not the first mod to try to do things that way.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 1st 2022 at 7:20:04 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Deleted. Nothing to see here. The forum ninja stealthed some of the thread's posts until after I'd posted and realised the subject had already been dealt with.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 1st 2022 at 4:19:10 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Ey, can we get something done with this draft? It's gotten nineteen bombs in a very short amount of time.
For the record, Fishious, it's probably not a good idea to be posting in this thread, since you're currently suspended for what you're subtly hinting at.