The Mandalorian

If she has stuff like this with the Obi-Wan series, it's in very good hands.

Seriously, that was great.

This is the way.

After today, I'm just about ready to forgive the writers for every sin they've committed against the Mandos.

...What writers?

The whole "pacifist Mandos" plot line, which left the distasteful act of rooting for Death Watch as being the closest thing to the way Mandalorian culture should be.

........

You were rooting for Death Watch?

They pretty much tore the planet apart in a Civil War because of their desire to return to the old ways.

There was nothing wrong with what Satine was trying to do.

This episode was just like *chef's kiss*. When the Big Damn Heroes moment happened, it was just awesome. I knew it was going to happen, but that didn't stop how awesome it was.

I'm wondering — the Mandalorian phrase "This is the way" seems to be a kind of mantra to them. Was it ever uttered in Clone Wars or Rebels?

Edited by alliterator on Nov 22nd 2019 at 8:47:58 AM

Yeah, while Satine had her problems, the descent of Mandalore into their old ways is generally meant to be considered a tragedy - even in Rebels there's the sense that the feudal regression has turned a people once unified to something barely above anarchy: a self destructing group that the Empire only needs to poke in key ways to keep harmless.

I don't think so, but then this episode gives off the impression that these are the last remnants of a specific clan with their own customs and traditions (a lot of the things they do aren't shared by other depictions of Mandalorians, in addition to the phrase), not necessarily the last remnants of all Mandalore.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 22nd 2019 at 8:56:17 AM

Part of REBELS highlights the Mandalorian clans are kind of horrible in their traditions.

But you can't do STAR WARS without wars.

Finally got caught up and goddamn I loved that last episode. Show displaying some more meat on its bones and fleshing out its universe more, providing more opportunities for a supporting cast (though that obviously still hasn't settled per see).

It was literally John Wick in space, and I think outright openly so: the scene where the Guild members' trackers beep simultaneously in the bar after Mando's actions mirrors to a tee the scene in Chapter 2 where the phones of every Assassin beeps simultaneously in the Continental after Wick's bounty goes up, down the fact that it pans to the chiefs of the respective Assassin organizations as it ends.

PS: I think the Satine plotline was one of the best things in TCW. The fact they decided to explore the fact Mandalorian culture as usually portrayed should logically end up as a unsustainable cycle of violent psychos after a while was a great idea, as well as exploring further Mandalorian culture rather than sticking to the Planet of Hats of "they're all trigger-happy noble warrior archetypes". It's good to flesh out cultures and add nuance. The idea of this culture of ceaseless bloody conflict in the name of pride and honor eventually breeding pacifists who want to change that toxic culture is probably the best example of trying to mix up Planet of Hats the new canon has.

Filoni was great at that. Often when he ran into a species in the series that was defined by a particular Hat previously, he upended that Hat and portrayed them another way. Like having Twileks go from a race of strippers and gangsters to a race of noble resistance fighters.

He also broke the habit of Star Wars characters being racially defined by a single, iconic characters. When he introduced a new characters of a race we'd only seen once, he would typically have that new character be the opposite of the old one: like Pong Krell being the opposite of Dex, or Toydarians as a whole being the opposite of Watto.

It’s kinda weird. Everyone seems to agree this show is good. (If Deborah Chow handles Obi Wan the way she handled this episode it’s going to be must see TV). It feels like forever since Star Wars fans were able to agree on anything.

Really good moments, the action direction was top notch, the emotional beats all landed, despite it being a smaller scale story, it’s some of the best Star Wars material since Clone Wars ended.

While Chow is undoubtedly talented, we cant give her too much credit for this episode.

She didn't write it, and who ends up writing for Obi-Wan will make a big difference.

Good episode. Some of the changes to Mandalorian culture are odd, but the Armorer did say they had to make changes to survive. And apparently, the heavy trooper Mando was named Paz Vizla. I would assume he's related to Pre Vizsla.

He's probably from the actual Clan Vizsla, rather than being from a clan that's a vassal of them like Sabine.

Yeah, probably. I am curious about the difference in spelling, but that could easily be a typo.

This is the Mandalorian.

Regarding to the debate above: Honestly, I like the canon Mandalorians WAY more than Karen Traviss' Gary Stu race.

God, she was a dreadful writer. Especially how she vilified the Jedi in every conceivable way, while somehow trying to portray the barbaric, bloody lifestyle of the Mandalorians as something POSITIVE.

Traviss is probably the worst writer I recall being involved in Star Wars. Her meltdown at Jedi fans to call them "Talifans" for likingt he Jedi is legendary to this day.

When people talk about how the Mandalorians in this show are different from previous ones, we're talking about the Mandalorians in Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Rebels. A good chunk of both shows was spent deconstructing Traviss' Mandos.

It should be noted that the director for those shows is closely involved in this one, so the changes are definitely intentional.

I've been catching up. I really like the show. However does anyone else have a problem where every so often it will freeze? Is that common? As I only just got Disney+.

I still think the changes from Rebels are due to this being a specific clan, less than this being the last of Mandalore itself.

This is the best: Raising Baby Yoda.

Traviss's main wanks with each side were erasure of the flaws of the Mandalorians (they're violent, belligerent and swarthy to the galaxy at large, but she only brings up the positive aspects) and over-emphasizing the flaws of the Jedi (pretty much the only criticism she can do to them is "You guys are willingly leading an army of slaves despite claiming to be fighting for freedom.") But yeah, she gets really bad about it, to the point where she has a main character suddenly turn her brain off and leap in front of a clone that would have shot her without a second thought to protect him from a Jedi because she cares about clones that much. Not to mention having multiple clones, all of whom are the main characters, react to Order 66 by going "DUR HUR HUR YOU GUYS DESERVE THIS" instead of "What the fuck is happening? Why are our brothers doing this?"

She then has Skirata pick up a lightsaber and carve his way through multiple Jedi in a rage because apparently being a Mandalorian makes you able to disregard years of training and just flail a lightsaber around and get a killing spree.

Edited by theLibrarian on Nov 24th 2019 at 9:56:35 AM

Swarthy?