Unreleased Work Policy Feedback

Is anyone here attending the screening? Because without that, all we have to go on is hearsay, which is hardly a valid basis for troping.

First-hand experience of the work is not required to trope it.

Yeah, we're not rehashing this again. So I'll explain what the ruling that Fighteer was essentially saying to help move on(I don't know if he meant a ruling or was an opinion, but let's be real, his point is very valid on this and there's kind of no reason to not apply it, unless we don't allow private screenings to be troped, that is).

Private screenings do not allow people to bring information out of that. It's impossible to verify unless you literally saw it. This is why it's the only case where personal experience is necessary. This is why Fighteer made it clear, that, yes, you do need to experience it for private screenings only.

That's not applicable to other public releases to begin with.

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Now that that derail is out of the way(let's please keep it out of the way), the issue is actually whether private screenings should be allowed to be troped. We have valid arguments on both sides. It's still public, but it also is difficult for many to access and nobody else can usually verify it due to it being far less public than normal.

So it's a matter of Yay or Nay with these factors in mind. Let's just put it to a vote instead(unless somebody else has more points to bring up, but I have noticed they were reasonably put out already).

I'm currently on "Nay, we should wait for a more public release".

Edited by Irene on Aug 25th 2019 at 10:52:54 AM

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I'm on Nay too.

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I am thinking that people should only trope a private screening if they actually took part in it.

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Nay. Not public enough.

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Sounds reasonable to me.

Nay. Even if a troper has seen the preview personally, the rest of us need to have the capability to cross-check the information.

nay. a private screening generally means the work isn't publicly available, which means it's not tropeworthy.

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I'm on the "not verifiable" side here. Private screenings shouldn't count.

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Well, we should need a few more votes, but the consensus is looking clear~

I think the only active people to not make a strait vote so far on this particular question(if we should trope private screenings in the first place) might be Fighteer and High Crate? Well, Nombretendo too, but, the troper isn't usually on here outside of mod stuff?

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My opinion on private screenings depends on the answers to the following questions:

• Was the screening for testing?
• How long ago was the screening?
• When will the work be released?
• Do the authors encourage off-site discussions of the work?
• Is the work under a free license?
• Is the work finished and exactly how it will be when it is released to the public?
• Who can access the screening? Is it limited to critics/internal feedback/ratings boards, or is it available to randomly-selected fans?

As such, I feel like this needs to be determined on a case-by-case basis.

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Regarding the early Steven Universe: The Movie screening, if "they are all told not to talk about what they saw before the movie starts", then I don't think we should allow even people who attended the screening to trope it. I doubt such a thing is legally enforceable, and I'm sure people will talk about it regardless, but we shouldn't encourage it.

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No from me.

That is a good point. If an early screening like this is under NDA or similar, that's a pretty compelling argument against it being considered a "public" showing.

Do we know for sure whether that's the case here? I remember one person around this thread saying as much, but I'm not sure what their source is.

Edited by HighCrate on Aug 26th 2019 at 2:44:15 AM

i don't think it's legally binding, unless they had to sign something, which would be kind of weird and unnecessary. they're just asking them not to be dicks, which is our Rule 0 anyway, so we shouldn't have any trouble following suit.

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I don't think it necessarily needs to be legally binding (hence my wording, "NDA or similar"), but if they were specifically requested not to talk about the film, that's a little different than if they were sold tickets with the instructions, "Be sure to tell all your friends all about how great it was!"

Edited by HighCrate on Aug 26th 2019 at 3:29:02 AM

The "they're told not to talk about it" thing isn't based on official info about the event per se, but when the Adventure Time series finale was preview screened a couple months back, they told the attendees not to say anything, which I'm assuming is going to be the same for the SU screening since they're already taking any phones until the movie is over.

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Taking phones =/= "don't talk about it." That's more like "don't surreptitiously pirate it with the video cameras that live in everyone's pockets these days."

The fact that we're having so much trouble determining the exact nature of this screening and the official policies surrounding it says to me that it's better to err on the side of caution. Put me down for a firm "no, it shouldn't be troped yet."

We can always reverse that decision in the future if circumstances seem to warrant it; it's pretty hard to reverse it in the other direction.

Edited by HighCrate on Aug 26th 2019 at 3:40:38 AM

Yeah, it gets too iffy. There's a lot of unique situations. It makes sense why some would prefer to take it case by case. Problem with case by case is it makes it far harder to enforce a simple policy. Making it public as the requirement is enough that it's easy to verify, which makes the job of curating any issues far easier. Obviously there's never going to be the situation where "fixing stuff isn't needed", but minimizing potential issues feels like a reasonable goal to me.

That said, they aren't bad points brought up earlier. But the situations start to get murky that it becomes actually harder to get stuff done. A more strict policy isn't a bad thing in this case. Since being able to verify is a key factor(and a big reason why we have stuff like Darth Wiki for works that get lost), it's only fair to apply it here to make our lives easier.

With High Crate's points in mind, I'm even more of a hard Neigh than before.

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This does bring up the point of "what counts as an early screening?" Short Run in Peru situations obviously shouldn't count, but what's the fundamental difference between an "early" release in Los Angeles a week ahead of the nominal release day and one that's exactly the same except only one day before it?

None. If it's a private screening, it doesn't matter when it happens; if we can't verify it, we can't trope it. Simple as that. At least in my opinion.

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So can I add this back? If I do it without permission, I'll be edit warring.

%% To those who saw the early screening or have any details from it; PLEASE DO NOT TROPE ANYTHING UNTIL THE MOVIE AIRS ON TV. A private screening does not count as the work getting released and should not be troped in any capacity. %% %%

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My question is if the specific work in question is going to be shown outside of TV beyond the private screening. Apparently it won't? If it won't, then yeah, sounds good. It fits our consensus just fine. As long as the next release will be the TV show, anyway.

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I would go ahead and put a link to this thread in the commented note so folks know where to go with questions.

I'm not talking about private screenings. The Steven Universe screening, for example, wasn't private. It was open to anyone who could pay for it.