Captain Marvel - Spoilers

I like the difference

Without any super strength, Natasha has to be smooth and efficient

With super strength, Carol can just punch a person in the face with comic book style giant metal hand encompassing cuffs

Carol is similar to Jessica Jones in this aspect. No fancy ninja moves, just punching bad guys in the face. (Or blasting them).

I absolutely love that about Carol. I love that, like Jessica (and Peggy too, actually, even though she doesn't have super strength) she's a total brawler and doesn't use fancy She-Fu moves.

Variety is the spice of action scenes

Okoye has her spear based combat

And Wanda gestures and things blast off like team rocket

Oh definitely. Keeps things interesting and reflects their characters/personalities.

Also at Wanda making people blast off like Team Rocket

Carol's fighting style reminds me of Peggy, except that she uses energy blasts instead of staplers.

Peggy beating someone with a stapler delighted me at the time and it still does. Combat pragmatism indeed.

What always amuses me is that Peggy is doing the pragmatic one-punch approach and Steve is the one who does battle gymnastic. Not that he does look bad doing it, but it is a nice role switch.

It's also kinda funny, considering Steve is the one with Super-Strength out of the two of them, so you'd expect him to be the brawler (also due to gender roles) but nope! He's doing twirly acrobatics while Peggy is the one doing the straight up punching! I love it!

> Peggy beating someone with a stapler delighted me at the time and it still does. Combat pragmatism indeed.

were they made of paper because that's the first I pictured when read that

You know, I just can't WAIT for Carol and Thor fighting together. I am pretty sure that those two will go on their own galactical mission, leaving it to everyone else to do whatever they will be doing in the quantum realm.

I have the feeling that they will split the remaining Avengers in two to three teams again...most like those two together, Cap, Tony and Rocket together, and Natasha and Bruce together.

> Natasha and Bruce together.

I don't this happening,

I would imagine any hypothetical teams would have Thor, Carol and Hulk on different teams to avoid putting all the big hitters in one proverbial basket.

Ha, I misread Natasha as Nebula and was like, odd combo but I'd be down with seeing them bounce off of each other.

I don't like the "romance" either, but I have the feeling that there will be something to wrap it up. But maybe they will send out the Hulk with Thor and Captain Marvel, and have a team featuring Natasha and Clint instead.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 23rd 2019 at 9:45:36 AM

Tony on one team sent on a suicide mission.

everyone else on the other team.

Tony gets Star Lord if the latter comes back.

RE the fighting style stuff, that is interesting with the contrast between Peggy and Steve. Maybe even more so since she's a posh English lady and although he's an intellectual and not a rough-neck, he was still born and bread on the Lower East Side (note, I know that the trope is not right geographically for where Steve is from).

This came up elsewhere in the forum, but has anyone here seen innuendo studios video series about Mad Max Fury Road? In the series he discusses different types of woman in action movies and puts forward the theory that Furiosa could be the beginning of a new trope, which he (roughly, just watch the videos yourself, they are great) defined as the feminine breaking through male power structures and reclaiming her power in the process. It occurred to me that if it is a start of a new trope, Captain Marvel is another example of it, because that is exactly what her story is about, too.

And here the kicker, innuendo studios even has a name for this trope: the Avenging Feminine.

it does raise the question of how Steve suddenly became an actually good fighter as he had no prior experience of being anything other than a punchbag (but a determined and courageous punchbag.) Just because he's much quicker and stronger now doesn't mean he automatically becomes good in the technical aspects of fighting. Carter did have an older brother so possibly that's who inspired/taught her to brawl.

I think that might already be a thing in literature. In particular, books by male authors trying to be feminist can get bad about having just one kickass female character who goes on to shatter power structures. Which, you know, is something, but she's still just one person. Fury Road and Captain Marvel both have multiple strong female characters, which is better.

Bucky probably taught him to fight; we see him put up a decent stance in that alley behind the movie theater, he just doesn't actually have the strength to back it up. Plus, a few months passed between the serum and actually going into combat, so he had plenty of time to learn.

@Tuckerscreator I would have just posted the middle video and labeled it "Brie Larson auditions for Valkyrie"

That is a good point. Well, in Winter Soldier and Civil War, everyone fights really beautifully, with a combination of grace and brutality. Hence the complaints about Black Panther and Spider-Man not measuring up in their own movies.

And with Peggy, I'd chalk it up to some combination of being an upper English-person involving Training from Hell in their school system, Peggy having a background serving in what was popularly nicknamed the "Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare", and maybe most of all, just being someone who doesn't have anything to prove to male colleagues and is concerned with getting things done well and not about looking good while doing it.

With Steve though (ditto Peter), I understand the in-universe justification to be that since his powers include super-agility and peak human performance, that means he's able to use his body with maximum efficacy. Which in turn means he can use it the way someone could with years of physical training.

So I just learned that Captain Marvel is the third film that Brie Larson and Samuel Jackson worked together on.

I knew about Kong: Skull Island of course, which threw in Tom Hiddleston for good measure, but Brie also directed a netflix movie called Unicorn Store.

No wonder they did so well together in this.

Now when can we have Captain Marvel, Loki and Nick Fury fight a giant monkey together.

I certainly wouldn't mind Captain Marvel and Loki interacting. they had a lot of chemistry in Skull Island.

Agu (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Agu_(Earth-616)) needs to be the big bad of the next phase