Apparently this was opened?
I agree with that. That page is a mess, and converting it to Useful Notes could work.
Edited by Asherinka on Dec 26th 2018 at 11:35:05 PM
Cut the speculation and repurpose it as a Useful Note on personality disorders.
Edit: Adding that the "informed speculation" mentioned at the end of the description is still speculation, and thus not suitable for an objective trope. Wording like "seems to" (which appears in the first example listed in the first post) tends to accompany violations of Examples Are Not Arguable, which is a bad sign.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 26th 2018 at 6:59:13 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Seconded. As is it's a repository for bullshit armchair diagnoses.
Looking at a thread from 2011, Hollywood Personality Disorders was originally UsefulNotes.Personality Disorders. Instead of cleaning up the page it was changed into a trope page.
Looking at the discussion page, it looks like some of the problems mentioned in the 2011 thread, such as inaccuracies (for text that wasn't supposed to be describing fiction) and tasteless humor, stuck around for a while, but I think the current description has come a long way from that.
A point I agree with from the 2017 thread is that requiring in-universe and/or Word of God confirmation would have been an improvement over allowing armchair psychology, but we already have Hollywood Psych, so I still think a Useful Notes move would be better.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 4th 2019 at 1:46:15 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.So, make this into a Useful Notes? It needs to be cleaned up a lot.
Clock is set.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI'm beginning to wonder if this should just be cut entirely, since the main problem is that we have a supposedly objective trope that's based on speculation. This thread hasn't really gone anywhere in a while, so cutting would be simpler than either cleaning it up to retool it into a Useful Note or adding a Word of God/in-universe confirmation requirement to make it a proper objective trope.
If this is cut, TLP can be used to launch either a Useful Note or a non-speculation-based trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 17th 2019 at 11:09:51 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Little progress and clock's up; closing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There was a previous thread on Hollywood Personality Disorders last year, but it was closed without resolution.
As the page currently stands, it just seems like an older version of Ambiguous Disorder with more speculation posted. Few, if any, of the characters have canonical personality disorders and most are already listed under other pages.
The page has been around since 2011 yet has under 100 wicks, so it's not performing well either.
The page could work as a Useful Notes since that's what it seems to want to be. There are large paragraphs of text describing personality disorders, but very few actual examples.
This is a really lengthy paragraph where someone diagnoses Osaka as schizotypical. From what I've heard, Osaka's personality is officially a joke that inverts stereotypes of the Osaka region.
Meg is probably unintentional as well. It's just they flanderized her Butt-Monkey role more and more, giving her more symptoms of an Ambiguous Disorder.
The example is too basic. Those traits could apply to various things outside of AVPD.
No context.
As mentioned in the example, autism is not a personality disorder. Elsa has been confirmed to have depression and anxiety, but no personality disorders.
Edited by Pichu-kun on Dec 9th 2018 at 11:31:02 AM