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Deadlock Clock: Feb 20th 2019 at 11:59:00 PM
Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: Dec 9th 2018 at 11:10:54 AM

There was a previous thread on Hollywood Personality Disorders last year, but it was closed without resolution.

As the page currently stands, it just seems like an older version of Ambiguous Disorder with more speculation posted. Few, if any, of the characters have canonical personality disorders and most are already listed under other pages.

The page has been around since 2011 yet has under 100 wicks, so it's not performing well either.

The page could work as a Useful Notes since that's what it seems to want to be. There are large paragraphs of text describing personality disorders, but very few actual examples.

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  • Characters.Azumanga Daioh
    • Hollywood Personality Disorders: She seems to have strong schizotypal traits, though likely falls short of and is a bit too young to have a personality disorder. She exhibits signs of unusual experiences (unusual thoughts and unusual perceptions), cognitive disorganization (tendency for thoughts to become derailed and to derail conversations), and impulsive nonconformity (somewhat poor impulse control and unstable mood). (All 3 traits are well-exemplified here.) The only trait she doesn't seem to really exhibit is introverted anhedonia (deficit of pleasure response in physical and social stimulation), and contrary to the stereotype of schizotypals she is actually quite extroverted (and extroversion doesn't exempt you from schizotypy). As noted in an article on schizophrenic autism (separate from the autism spectrum), which is also exhibited by people with high levels of schizotypal traits, the activity of people with such strong schizotypal traits tends to show itself through "friction with the situational context." I would say that Osaka produces quite a bit of "friction." Here's the article: [1] The article gives another example of that kind of friction: "A famous vignette of a schizoid father, who buys, as a Christmas present for his dying daughter, a coffin, illustrates this odd friction." Compare this to the friction Osaka produces. Derailment is related to knight's move thinking (also called lateral thinking), which is the kind of thinking that might enable Osaka to be so good at certain kinds of riddles (as seen in the Genius Ditz entry).

This is a really lengthy paragraph where someone diagnoses Osaka as schizotypical. From what I've heard, Osaka's personality is officially a joke that inverts stereotypes of the Osaka region.

Meg is probably unintentional as well. It's just they flanderized her Butt-Monkey role more and more, giving her more symptoms of an Ambiguous Disorder.

The example is too basic. Those traits could apply to various things outside of AVPD.

No context.

  • Disney.Frozen:
  • Hollywood Personality Disorders:
    • Elsa displays enough traits to fit the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder: she is emotionally unstable, has a hot temper, and suffers chronic feelings of emptiness and impulsiveness. Her upbringing is also for the most part typical of those with the disorder, with the emotional invalidation she experienced ("Conceal it, don't feel it.") being one of the key driving forces of the plot.
    • Or autism... (which is not a personality disorder but a difference in neurological wiring, but still)... She was just born differently (how autistic individuals usually feel about themselves) and has terrible difficulty functioning socially and maintaining relationships.
    • Both sisters were so socially isolated that having some sort of issue that is at least bordering on a personality disorder is quite realistic. The fact that they had fairly normal, happy childhoods until then, plus having loving parents, saved them both from becoming sociopaths; Hans not having that love or happier beginning also fits.

As mentioned in the example, autism is not a personality disorder. Elsa has been confirmed to have depression and anxiety, but no personality disorders.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Dec 9th 2018 at 11:31:02 AM

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Dec 26th 2018 at 9:23:26 AM

Apparently this was opened?

Asherinka Since: Jan, 2018
#3: Dec 26th 2018 at 12:34:26 PM

[up][up] I agree with that. That page is a mess, and converting it to Useful Notes could work.

Edited by Asherinka on Dec 26th 2018 at 11:35:05 PM

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#4: Dec 26th 2018 at 3:10:13 PM

Cut the speculation and repurpose it as a Useful Note on personality disorders.

Edit: Adding that the "informed speculation" mentioned at the end of the description is still speculation, and thus not suitable for an objective trope. Wording like "seems to" (which appears in the first example listed in the first post) tends to accompany violations of Examples Are Not Arguable, which is a bad sign.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 26th 2018 at 6:59:13 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#5: Dec 26th 2018 at 3:11:21 PM

[up] Seconded. As is it's a repository for bullshit armchair diagnoses.

Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Dec 28th 2018 at 5:00:37 PM

Looking at a thread from 2011, Hollywood Personality Disorders was originally UsefulNotes.Personality Disorders. Instead of cleaning up the page it was changed into a trope page.

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#7: Jan 4th 2019 at 1:15:04 AM

[up]Looking at the discussion page, it looks like some of the problems mentioned in the 2011 thread, such as inaccuracies (for text that wasn't supposed to be describing fiction) and tasteless humor, stuck around for a while, but I think the current description has come a long way from that.

A point I agree with from the 2017 thread is that requiring in-universe and/or Word of God confirmation would have been an improvement over allowing armchair psychology, but we already have Hollywood Psych, so I still think a Useful Notes move would be better.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 4th 2019 at 1:46:15 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Pichu-kun ... Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Jan 17th 2019 at 8:20:07 AM

So, make this into a Useful Notes? It needs to be cleaned up a lot.

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Feb 17th 2019 at 7:56:02 AM

Clock is set.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#10: Feb 17th 2019 at 8:59:56 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if this should just be cut entirely, since the main problem is that we have a supposedly objective trope that's based on speculation. This thread hasn't really gone anywhere in a while, so cutting would be simpler than either cleaning it up to retool it into a Useful Note or adding a Word of God/in-universe confirmation requirement to make it a proper objective trope.

If this is cut, TLP can be used to launch either a Useful Note or a non-speculation-based trope.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 17th 2019 at 11:09:51 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#11: Feb 21st 2019 at 1:46:45 PM

Little progress and clock's up; closing.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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