Hi, folks! We're currently in the middle of an extended wiki development project that will add some nifty tools to the moderation kit (and some bells and whistles for tropers as well). While a full list of what's coming is outside the scope of this topic, there is one very specific thing that needs community involvement and feedback: the namespace configuration system.
In a Nutshell
We're changing namespaces from informal components that anyone can add (you can make an article in the "Glurkbrgl" namespace if you want, just by editing it) to a formal list of allowed values. This list can be added to and offers additional controls, such as the ability to set which style sheet is used by articles in the namespace, which page type is the default, the icon for the namespace tab bar, and how editing and article creation work.Namespace Configuration System
- Namespaces will be itemized in a database table.
- There will be a php page where anyone can view the list and the settings for each namespace, and mods can edit them.
- The configuration system will have (roughly) the following attributes:
- Name: (Main, YMMV, etc.) This will include the canonical capitalization of the namespace (see below).
- Editing Status: This will be a selection from a list of possible restrictions, from "Open" (anyone can edit/create articles) to "Require TLP" (article creation must go through Trope Launch Pad) to "Closed" (nobody can edit or create articles), and a few more.
- Page Type: The default page type to assign to articles in the namespace (a work, a creator, a trope, a subpage, etc.).
- Style: Main, Darth Wiki, Sugar Wiki, etc.
- Auto-Index: Whether the namespace behaves like normal or is automatically indexed, such as in Laconic Wiki.
- Icon: Choose the icon that appears in the namespace tab bar in the header of wiki articles.
- When anyone requests a wiki article (HTTP GET to pmwiki.php), the namespace part of the URL will be checked and forced to the proper capitalization. This will prevent things like "Ymmv", which break wiki functionality.
- When anyone tries to create or edit an article, the namespace configuration will be checked to determine if that action is allowed. If creation is blocked, a suitable message will be displayed. If editing is blocked, then the article will display as locked.
What We Need
What we need from the community is agreement on which namespaces should be kept and which should be discarded. The wiki has accumulated a lot of cruft due to the free-for-all nature of namespace creation, and we want to start with as clean a slate as possible.For reference:
- The formal namespace list is here: Namespace.
- The complete list of namespaces may be viewed with this tool: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/articlecount.php
- The full list of articles in any particular namespace may be seen here, except that it won't work for Main: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/namespace_index.php?ns=YMMV.
How This Will Work
If we decide not to keep a namespace, any articles in it should either be cut or moved to a more suitable namespace. Any such namespaces that have remaining articles when the new system goes live will be set to "Closed", so that nobody can make new ones and the existing ones will be automatically locked.For all remaining namespaces, we need to populate the initial settings: page type, editing status, and style. Note that many of these are already known and configured, so we'll carry those over — there's no need to renegotiate the status of Main or YMMV, for example. I'm mainly talking about the odder ones like, say, Castle.
After the system goes live, if anyone tries to add an article that isn't in an approved namespace, the attempt will be blocked. Requesting new namespaces would be done in the Locked Pages topic or some other topic we create specifically for that purpose.
Rules and Procedures
- The working list of namespaces to load into the configuration system will be stored in Namespace Cleanup Project.
- Any user may bring up a namespace that they think should be removed or given special handling.
- If there is significant immediate consensus, we'll approve it and any required actions (cleanup, transplants) can begin.
- If consensus is not clear, then we will use a crowner to collect votes.
We will also answer general questions about the system in this topic, but we will keep it focused specifically on the namespace project. Off-topic thumps will be used if needed.
- Q: Are we changing any media namespaces (Film, Western Animation, Manhua, etc.)?
A: No, we are not. That's not in the scope of the project; the intent is to configure all media namespaces as they currently exist. - Q: What are we doing with examples subpages (like Castle.Tropes Ato D)?
A: We want to clean those up. Check out this post to see some ideas, and this Google Drive doc for a list of all such articles.
Note: We can't just merge them back together, as most were hard split for size to begin with. - Q: So what should we focus on?
A: That's a great question! We're looking mainly at namespaces that have fewer than 40 articles in them, and that are not medium namespaces. In other words, let's start from the bottom of the list. In particular, let's get rid of one-off namespaces that aren't being used for actual trope content. - Q: Is there a list of all namespaces that are being used for trope example subpages?
A: Thanks for asking. Yes, it's here. Note that some media namespaces were caught in the query.
Edited by nombretomado on Jan 5th 2020 at 11:39:34 AM
, The page is currently an index; previous lists of this kind tend to be in Useful Notes.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.Those indexes have no value or purpose being on TV Tropes.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Well, there's a lot of them, and they've been around for ages. The 50 Greatest Cartoons is another one that springs immediately to mind.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.There's an argument to be made that our articles plagiarize the source material, but regardless these are nothing more than third-party lists. They are not creative works in and of themselves and have no relevance to troping. We're effectively acting as free advertising for them.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I think we need to have a discussion of these "list pages" in a dedicated thread in Wiki Talk. That would make it easier to discuss and easier to cite when someone complains about it.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Hello, I want to highlight Ratatouille: The Musical on the Works Needing a Page section of Trope Report, but I'm not sure which namespace it goes in. I wanna say Theatre, but it originated as a meme on TikTok and was first officially performed as a virtual concert. Should it go in Web Video? Theatre, in hopes of getting a proper on-stage performance?
Rock'n'roll never dies!"in hopes of" is speculative.
We have two pages in the Troper/ namespace, Troper.Elektronically Cool and Troper.Modrapetka. I'm guessing they were supposed to be in the Tropers/ namespace, but those can't be edited except by mods and the users themselves.
QUOTES.The Colbert Report (should be "Quotes/TheColbertReport").
Help on capitalizations belongs in this thread.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.I just created a page for Hoi 4 mod but I misspelled the title of the mod. The mod is called Yomo no Umi but I accidentally put “Yumi” instead of “Umi”. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/YomoNoYumi
Bibble Bobble came back to attack; telling the admins
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Just realized: why was Main.Bibble Bobble cut? It existed so that "Bibble Bobble" would appear as a blue link on broken crowners, only to redirect you to the Administrivia/ page.
back lolBecause there are some people who think that cross namespace redirects all need to go.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIn this one case, I think it’s necessary.
Nevertheless, it should be restored; it’s necessary in this instance.
back lolYeah, this one is important.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessIt's restored. I added a note to the redirect page saying not to delete it.
Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 5th 2021 at 10:27:17 AM
Keet cleanupMaybe it should be on the actual page and not just commented out.
It's not commented out, plus it's a redirect so it doesn't matter whether it's commented out because you have to look at the source or history to see it either way.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.Laconic.Anticlimax Boss (should be AntiClimaxBoss, stylized as "Anti-Climax Boss")
Quotes.Anticlimax Boss (ditto)
VideoExamples.Anticlimax Boss (ditto)
Think you're looking for this thread.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.Thanks for the head-up.
They should be moved offsite, such as to the British Film Institute's website, which I presume they are already on. TV Tropes does not need to copy their work.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"