Voice Actor pages and Rampant Misuse

Which isn't in the description at all, so all of that is misuse. It either needs TRS to widen the trope, or the entire section cut.

Also, it's enough with two characters? How on earth can two characters be even remotely considered "often"? Two is not a trend.

edited 14th Feb '17 5:57:21 AM by AnotherDuck

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I wanna point out that a lot of times the Japanese counterpart is listed "in terms of vocal range" and not in terms of "they play the same role" That's when whoever wrote the entry actually bothered writing complete sentences.

edited 14th Feb '17 8:39:52 AM by Ghilz

Ugh, Just went through Creator.Tara Strong. That page is weird. Besides the outright obsessive amount of details about her personal life, there was a ton of troping her rather than her work.

I removed the trope stuff but am I the only one thinking the description itself is... way too detailed. Like, do we need her pets? Or who she was roommates with at some point? Or the name of her sibling? Or that she's a vegetarian?

Amazingly it avoided the counterpart stuff though.

EDIT: Oh God, it has a Trivia Page.

No. I didn't need to know she dyes her hair. FFS.

edited 14th Feb '17 9:10:26 PM by Ghilz

That sounds like a Wikipedia page cutout. And no, no one cares if Strong is a vegetarian.

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Did some more cleaning for you on Tara Strong, but haven't merged her Trivia page onto the Creator page.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Stumbled on Dave Wittenberg. He's broken a record by having 7 Texan counterparts listed.

I can only assume this man is the equivalent of the entirety of texas.

Texas has a population of seven?

I'm really starting to doubt even the slightest validity I have left for it when it starts becoming higher numbers like that. Well, higher than one, really.

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What's wrong with comparing other voice actors with similar voice actors? It's technically just for fun, right?

• It's a matter of opinion and we're documenting facts.
• It causes description bloat and/or trope bloat.
• It makes it look like we're offering authoritative statements.
• It is frequently based on extraordinarily flimsy evidence or coincidence.
• It misuses tropes.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

• 90% of the time it's not even a comparison. 90% of the time it's not even using SENTENCES. "Texan Counterpart? X, Y and Z. Canadian Counterpart? A and B" doesn't make a comparison. It just spews out name with neither context, logic or meaning.

edited 16th Feb '17 6:22:39 AM by Ghilz

Can't we list actual people based on vocal range or type cast?

Can we? Sure. Should we? No. It's got nothing to do with TVT's purpose. Creator pages in general are problematic because people fixate on them when they are not the point. Anything to reduce that fixation is good.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I feel like you're denying freedom of speech, though.

My two cents would be "Only if one can put a description that's meaningful (X and Y have the same vocal range, which is measured as Z)" and not "X and Y have the same vocal range take my word for it" or "X and Y have the same vocal range coz I think they sound pretty close". But even if we put such standards, plenty of editors will just skip having actual measures and put garbage back in coz that's less effort.

And even then, I still think it's barely relevant. Like, would you list two actors coz they have the same height and hair colors as counterparts?

Well wiki standards take priority over your freedom of expression. It's why you're not allowed to fill a page with the word penis all over.

edited 16th Feb '17 7:09:27 AM by Ghilz

I still feel like some examples should be listed ONLY if they play similar characters and/or have a similar vocal range (i.e. Stephanie Sheh and Monica Rial).

I still don't see the relevance. Plus i'd point out that the example you put in your own post has, no surprise, completely no context.

"Freedom of speech" is a bogus argument on a private wiki. We aren't censoring you; we're selecting which types of content our site permits.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Well, voice actor behaviour - such as imitating each other's voices - is certainly a form of storytelling. But it needs to go into some detail, not merely a "X and Z" example.

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Guess it was inevitable for me to find a page about a voice actor listing another voice actor as her Spear Counterpart.

It's the regional counterparts (Texas, LA, New York and Vancouver) that is the main problem. I see no value there because what union you belong to doesn't really impact the characters you get except in a more arbitrary way (FUNimation is based in Forth Worth/Dallas and thus most VA's there end up doing anime and video games rather than western animation) plus a number of them change locations, rendering these lists inaccurate over time rather than just incomplete. Any talk about "similar vocal range" is pretty much nonsense, the majority of voice acting is pitch shifting your natural voice to fit the character, anything beyond that is creating unique voices.

I'd have no problem cutting the regional counterpart examples - they add nothing and aren't explained at all.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/AlysonCourt

Here's another one with some dodgy content. Not sure how I feel about how someone knows about how this woman is on good terms with her ex-husband regarding her son, or how any of these tropes apply to her work.

Cut all of them, since none of the tropes were about her work, but her as a person.