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Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 5th 2020 at 9:33:39 PM

[up][up] I have a question. Which one of these is more popular? I kinda have a question since it lists multiple ones for the same character.

[up] Do you think the entry I made does that? I don't want it to. I meant for it to be like some people think that they have better chemistry, not that the canon lacks chemistry. Though I acknowledge that my original one gave that impression. Though I think the proffread one's are really good entries. I am wondering if you can right an entry without acknowledging that the fan preference does come at least a little from chemistry between two characters.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 5th 2020 at 12:12:23 PM

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Jul 5th 2020 at 10:29:32 PM

@nrjxll Yeah I admit on that last one specifically my bias comes through.

@Bullman I think that was for me. Also, I feel like different fan bases for the same show can support different ideas.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 5th 2020 at 10:30:20 AM

Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 4:01:36 PM

Well there goes that discussion.

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Oshawott337 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Jul 7th 2020 at 4:29:32 PM

Yeah, it kind of sucks, I was interested in learning how things were gonna move forward here, but oh well. Guess it could'be been worse.

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 4:35:54 PM

Yeah. It does suck, but it could have been worse.

Anyways I could summarize what was said if you all are interested.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 7th 2020 at 6:36:56 AM

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Jul 7th 2020 at 4:58:37 PM

God I can only imagine how those on the counseling thread must feel right now.

I admit I might have been talking out of my ass a little. From what I recall, I was basically saying that there were times this seemed popular enough to become Official Couple as seemed to be the case with Olicity on Arrow and times when it is not. I also mentioned coupling on Teen Wolf and also that Riverdale has a rather nasty shipping war (and I spoke about all this based on clips I had seen on each show or stuff I read online too).

Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 5:03:35 PM

I remember how we seemed to agree that there doesn't have to be an Official Couple, so long as there was a pairing that the creators preferred. There needs to be a disconnect between what the creator and the fans prefer.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 7th 2020 at 7:05:04 AM

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Oshawott337 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Jul 7th 2020 at 5:06:46 PM

I remember also asking if an Official Couple needed to exist to have a Fan-Preferred Couple and it seemed to be agreed there just had to be a heavily implied couple at the very least. Which I think makes sense, though, if that's the case, quite a few examples on the page might end up having to go.

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 5:10:34 PM

[up] Yep that was the thing most agree on and a lot of them have to go. Can you think of any? I could use some distracting.

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Oshawott337 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Jul 7th 2020 at 5:25:40 PM

Lucky for you, I have one I was thinking about. Been looking at a lot of tropes involving Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS and was kind of confused on this entry, which is why I came here in the first place:

  • With Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS while the intended ship was supposed to be Yusaku/Aoi, there's barely interaction between the two. Meanwhile, the biggest ships are:
    • Yusaku/Ryoken was the top ship in season one, with Ryoken obsessed with fighting and figuring out Playmaker's identity. It helps that the two developed a more cordial relationship even if they're still on opposing sides after their fight.
    • Yusaku/Takeru in season 2 exploded just after the Opening 2 and Ending 3 was shown and the fact that both quickly became close in just one episode, even riding a Ferris wheel and Yusaku introducing him to Kusanagi. Even non-shippers noticed the blatant Ho Yay happening between the two just after Soulburner's introduction and compare them to Juudai/Johan. To compare, Aoi took over a hundred episodes before learning that Yusaku really is Playmaker.
    • Continuing the tradition of spirit partner Ship Tease, Yusaku/Ai exploded following the final episodes where Ai reveals he became the antagonist to save Yusaku, confessing his love for him while dying in a tearful Yusaku's arms.
Wow, since I can't edit the page anymore, recreating these links on my own was a bit of a challenge. Anyways, as the beginning suggests, Yusaku/Aoi don't really have much Ship Tease, which in my eyes, makes them far from the main ship, so I think this example has to go. Plus, I thought more than one pairing involving the same character wasn't allowed, anyways, but I'm not really sure anymore.

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 5:46:43 PM

[up] I don't think we discussed that yet, but since we are it, I don't think there should be more than one per character. I also think you are right it needs to be clear that it's the main ship, and if there is not that much Ship Tease then there's no way to know if it's creator preferred.

Speaking of bad entries here's ones from Austin & Ally and Live-Action TV:

  • Fan-Preferred Couple: The pairing is in the title. This pairing is so popular that Ross Lynch and Laura Marano, the actors themselves, ships it as well. It finally comes to fruition in "Partners & Parachutes", unfortunately, by "Couples & Careers", it didn't end well but many fans feel that canonizing the couple has effectively destroyed any interest in it. Luckily they are now back up by "Last Dances and Last Chances", and even confirmed in Records and Wrecking Balls. Many fans feel this way between Ross Lynch and Laura Marano as well.

  • While Ally from Austin & Ally has a huge crush on Dallas, fans overwhelmingly prefer her with Austin, even though they're Just Friends. Trish and Dez are rather popular as well.

These don't count. They were clearly going to get together from the beginning and they were given heaps of Ship Tease from the very start. Dez and Trish are the same. There was no disconnect between the creators and fans here. I have watched the show enough times to know.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 7th 2020 at 7:56:29 AM

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Jul 7th 2020 at 5:49:42 PM

[up] Yeah, that's clearly the intended reaction, so those definitely don't count.

Oshawott337 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Jul 7th 2020 at 6:39:31 PM

[up][up]Never watched it, but I agree, sounds like it definitely doesn't count. I'm guessing the other dude is an obvious Romantic False Lead?

Overall, though, if we're in agreement about some sort of couple existing in the first place, then the page definitely needs a rewrite to make this clear, though it seems every time someone attempts to take it to the TRS, interest vanishes and nothing ever comes of it.

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 6:47:13 PM

[up] Yep he is a very clear Romantic False Lead. Heck the episode that introduces Dallas is just one big Ship Tease for Austin and Ally.

I also agree that the page needs a rewrite.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 7th 2020 at 9:22:02 AM

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Jul 7th 2020 at 8:44:27 PM

Speaking of Author Intention, when it came to every possible romantic pairing on How to Rock except for Grelson (Grace/Nelson), writer David M. Israel was very hush-hush about which ones would have actually been endgame. Drove Zevie shippers (Zander/Stevie) up a wall.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 7th 2020 at 8:58:01 AM

Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 8:52:46 PM

[up] Then I am not sure it could have a Fan Preferred Couple then.

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Jul 7th 2020 at 8:57:43 PM

[up]Well the show was never outright truly about who Stevie would end up with. It implied in the beginning though that Zander would end up with Kacey and then near the end implied he would end up with Molly. Support for Zander and Stevie being together among most of the fans was VERY vocal.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 7th 2020 at 8:58:41 AM

Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 7th 2020 at 9:00:02 PM

[up] Okay. Then yeah that might be a Fan Preferred Couple.

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Jul 7th 2020 at 9:03:45 PM

[up]Oh I would definitely say so. Even without the potential pairings with Kacey or Molly (the latter I think was more likely), the idea of Zander and Stevie was only hinted at at times and was born more so through the fans’ strong interest certainly.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 7th 2020 at 9:07:04 AM

Oshawott337 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Jul 7th 2020 at 10:16:21 PM

So while looking at some more entries, I stumbled upon another issue that I want to ask about. So let's say that Bob/Alice is the Official Couple. They're by far the most popular couple in the show. Danny/Charlotte is also an Official Couple. However, fans generally prefer to ship Danny with Bob over Charlotte, but while Danny/Bob is more popular than Danny/Charlotte, it's still less popular than Bob/Alice. Would that make Danny/Bob still count as a Fan-Preferred Couple to Danny/Charlotte?

Edited by Oshawott337 on Jul 7th 2020 at 10:18:00 AM

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 8th 2020 at 7:42:02 AM

[up] I would say yes. But only if it can rival Bob/Alice. Not succeede them, but at least give them a run for there money. It's still technically a disconnect between the creators and fans. However that only counts for Danny and I feel it would need to be noted in the write up.

Also removed the Austin and Ally examples since everyone seemed to be in agreement that they don't count.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 8th 2020 at 9:52:22 AM

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Jul 8th 2020 at 8:34:19 AM

It would still be a popular pairing among the fans, then yes, it would definitely fit this.

Also, Austin & Ally was definitely meant to be the Official Couple based on what I have seen, so no, they would not be this.

WarJay77 Some like it hot from The Void Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Some like it hot
Jul 8th 2020 at 10:59:10 AM

A long time ago, the House of Anubis fandom really liked the idea of pairing Patricia and Jerome together, partially because they were the only ones left unpaired at the end of the first season and partially because their personalities seemed to work well together. "Patrome" as it became called was super popular and had a lot of fics and stuff...but come season 2, Patricia had a love interest introduced in the form of Eddie, and "Peddie" was wildly popular. Patrome didn't stand a chance, and Peddie, which was official, became possibly the most popular shipping after the one of Nina and Fabian, which was also official.

Would Patrome qualify as a Fan-Preferred Couple if it's specified that this preference only lasted until season 2 came out?

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Bullman Anne Boonchuy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Anne Boonchuy
Jul 8th 2020 at 11:04:04 AM

[up] I would say so. Something similar happened with Victorious. Where in Season 1 Cade (Cat x Jade) was the most popular ship. However by Season 2 the fandom moved on to different pairings ( Cat x Robbie/Sam and Jade and Tori respectively). I would still list it though, but make sure that the entry specifies that it only counts for Season 1.

Edited by Bullman on Jul 8th 2020 at 1:05:30 PM

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Jul 8th 2020 at 12:21:04 PM

I think Patrome would definitely count for this. Odd that they were not paired at all since they both fit pretty well under Snark Knight.

Man I miss House of Anubis. I was a big Fabina shipper and hoped that rather than be with Mara, Fabian would have gone to America to be with Nina. Word of God I think said that happened though.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 8th 2020 at 12:23:14 PM


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