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A thread for discussing representation and diversity in all kinds of media. This covers creators and casting decisions as well as characters and in-universe discussions.

Historical works and decisions are in-scope as well, not just recent news.

Please put any spoilers behind tags and clearly state which work(s) they apply to.

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For discussing any racial, gender, and orientation misdoings happening across various movies and the film industry today.

This week, producer Ross Putnam started a Twitter account called "femscriptintros", where he puts up examples of how women are introduced in the screenplays he's read. And nearly all of sound like terrible porn or are too concerned with emphasizing said lady is beautiful despite whatever traits she may have. Here's a Take Two podcast made today where he talks about it.


(Edited April 19 2024 to add mod pinned post)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:45:51 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#21001: May 7th 2019 at 1:55:32 PM

[up] And what if there isn't a good point to do it?

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#21002: May 7th 2019 at 3:07:59 PM

Honestly, for me it's way more important for me to be comfortable both before and during the movie, which includes drinking lots of water and using the washroom when I have to. I'm sure I can figure out the two minutes I missed from context (although, I did run there and back when watching Spiderverse). Doesn't change the point about theatre accessibility though.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#21003: May 7th 2019 at 3:45:08 PM

Awesome news about Boseman.

As the kids say, Lily Collins is now cancelled.

And I hope Freddy Mercury haunts Malek.

Edited by Hodor2 on May 7th 2019 at 5:47:09 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#21004: May 7th 2019 at 3:47:17 PM

As if,that's a comment people will quickly forgot

edit:I wouldn't wish a spectre on anyone personally [up]

Edited by Ultimatum on May 7th 2019 at 10:48:10 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21005: May 7th 2019 at 6:33:45 PM

Ghosts?

That's the excuse?

This is disgusting. She's acting like a fucking ghoul.

Disgusted, but not surprised
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014
#21006: May 7th 2019 at 9:36:19 PM

Googling it, apparently she's claimed ghost sightings in the past so this might be something she believes and not an extremely odd way to dismiss controversy...but either way, claiming to be able to speak for the wishes of victims of brutal murder because she saw them in her sleep is really not acceptable. How did she think this would go over?

Edited by IniuriaTalis on May 7th 2019 at 12:36:37 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#21007: May 8th 2019 at 3:21:49 AM

> How did she think this would go over?

She's trying to promote the movie thus something saying some controversial words mean people will keep talking about her words and the movie will remain the topic for awhile,its why she got the role I imagine,she's says stupid shit that's basically free publicity for the film

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#21008: May 8th 2019 at 8:52:54 AM

Small correction: Yasuke was not the only non-Asian to become a samurai. He was, however, the very first Westerner to be given the honour.

Lyendith I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane! from Bègles, France Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
I'm not insane, I'm not… not insane!
#21010: May 8th 2019 at 12:00:46 PM

Interesting… I personally never thought of Tetsuo as "mentally ill", but I only saw the movie when I was too young to fully get it and I just recently started reading the manga, which is quite different… Maybe I should rewatch that movie.

Speaking of manga, I also recently read Kiryuu-sensei wa Ren'ai ga Wakaranai (Aromantic (Love) Story in France). And it might be the first time ever that I see a romcom where part of the happy ending is that the heroine doesn't fall in love and chooses not to marry. That made me wonder if there were other series or movies that tackled the subject of asexuality and aromanticism?

Edited by Lyendith on May 8th 2019 at 9:14:01 PM

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#21011: May 8th 2019 at 12:43:13 PM

So here's a video about Autism representation in the media:

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#21013: May 8th 2019 at 12:56:31 PM

Speaking as an autistic person I would definitely say that in general most depictions in media are... Not great. Often well intentioned I grant, but still. I think part of it is that autistic people and "neuro-typicals" are wired differently mentally. A non autistic person can read about it, can understand it conceptually but literally cannot truly replicate the thought processes and emotional responses in the same way. It's NOT a better/worse deal. Just... Different.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
whizzerd Transcender of Gender from Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Transcender of Gender
#21014: May 8th 2019 at 2:34:25 PM

Speaking of, I remember we had a conversation a while back about the lack of representation for autistic people of color. I stumbled across a film not too long ago, a 2012 piece called White Frog, that centers on an autistic Asian child as his family deals with the sudden death of his brother.

It does have its problems- in particular I had issue with how the parents' struggle to handle the lead's autism and his dead brother's homosexuality is resolved a little too easily in the climax- and I can't speak to how well it represented its Asian characters, but nevertheless I found it an enjoyable watch that was very sympathetic to the main character's autism (it also had a surprising amount of recognisable names- B.D. Wong, Harry Shum Jr., Joan Chen, Booboo Stewart, Kelly Hu, Tyler Posey, etc.)

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#21015: May 8th 2019 at 3:12:36 PM

From what I remember of the movie, Tetsuo was a bullied kid who had a complex about feeling inferior. Kaneda was a genuine friend but running with a gang was probably not the best environment for him.

Not to say the least about the experimentation done on him when he was captured. Coupled with the hallucinations he has afterwards and delusions of grandeur after finally having true undeniable power, Tetsuo is in a terrible head space, to say the least.

That kid was fucked. Part of the horror is seeing the child lose more and more of himself and at the very end desperately trying to get out of the hell he's in.

Brandon Not a cat from Meribia Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Not a cat
#21016: May 8th 2019 at 3:24:11 PM

Pages back, I remember saying how it bothers me whenever that when they have an autistic character, they go full-blown autism (possibly taking cues from Rain Man). It's rare to show someone with autism that still acts fairly normal or independent (the movie "Snow Cake" came somewhat close).

A problem I had with "The Good Doctor"(is the still on? I don't have cable anymore) is when the protagonist, in one episode, gets called out for being thoughtless or selfish (bare in mind, the person doing the calling out knows full well, the other character is autistic). I'm fairly certain if one did that to an autistic person, they'd a) Not really understand what youre saying and ignore it. Or b) understand what you're saying, and feel like shit afterwards, and feel their autism is entirely their fault.

If I had a nickel for every film where Emma Stone falls off a balcony... I'd only have two nickels, but weird that there's two of them.
MFLuder Since: Jul, 2012
#21017: May 8th 2019 at 5:59:50 PM

[up][up][up]I read that on Fringe Jasika Nicole based her performance as Alternate Astrid on her own autistic sister.

While we're on the topic: what do fellow autistic people here think of Sheldon Cooper? I think he's a great character. Yeah, he's not exactly someone you'd hold up as a role model for autistic people, but I don't think the show's writers are trying to paint all autistic people with the same Jerkass brush.

Edited by MFLuder on May 8th 2019 at 6:04:36 AM

Brandon Not a cat from Meribia Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Not a cat
#21018: May 8th 2019 at 6:58:30 PM

From my experience with people who are autistic, I've never seen Sheldon as possibly autistic.

Usually when an autistic person is told that what they did or said is wrong, or they've hurt someone's feelings, the autistic person in question either doesn't understand what they did, but makes a genuine effort to improve themselves, or they do get that they said something hurtful, and feels genuinely remorseful.

Sheldon rarely responds in that way. In fact my interpretation of Sheldon has always been that he knows full well when he's being a Jerkass, but does the whole "I can't tell when I'm being hurtful" because to him, it's a "get out of jail" card. I've encountered people like this, from coworkers, to managers, to my own father. Yet, if someone was ever rude or hurtful to them they'd know it. Sheldon himself falls into that category as well, in that he claims he can't tell when he's being a jerk, but he's usually able to tell when others are being a jerk to him.

Sheldon isn't autistic, nor have any kind of Ambiguous Disorder. he's just a Jerkass.

If I had a nickel for every film where Emma Stone falls off a balcony... I'd only have two nickels, but weird that there's two of them.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21019: May 8th 2019 at 6:59:39 PM

Sheldon just seems to totally lack empathy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#21020: May 8th 2019 at 7:00:17 PM

Can i just say that as a person who loves the hell out of villains, I kinda want more villains to have asperger's syndrome like I do.

I mention this because I know other people have a problem with mental illness being demonized in media.

Kaze ni Nare!
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#21021: May 8th 2019 at 7:05:02 PM

He might be autistic AND an asshole. There have been folks who try to justify breaking rules and being a dick by blaming it on their AS in the Edit Banned Thread on this very site.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#21022: May 8th 2019 at 7:09:21 PM

It’s kind of the problem with that, right? Can you make someone be a great villain with that? Is the villain villainous because of said condition? In spite of it? Or is it a minor facet of the character?

Because let’s be honest, for anyone who does have the same condition who’s okay with an evil portrayal, there will be another who would justifiably be angry or at best suspicious.

You don’t want the condition to be a source of demonization. And you don’t want it to be a trivial or insultingly insignificant part of their life.

I’m not on that spectrum and can only try to imagine that it sucks not seeing representation that’s either moral and or cool.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#21023: May 8th 2019 at 7:15:07 PM

[up] Like, I'm thinking of someone like Kingpin from Netflix's Daredevil. He honestly comes off like someone on the spectrum. But I loved it. He was an awesome villain who happened to (maybe) have the same thing I have.

I really dislike something like autism being portrayed as a good thing. In my experience it isn't. I'd most likely have an easier time of life if I didn't have asperger's.

It's a different condition, but I have a blind friend who really dislikes Daredevil because he doesn't think blindness is a source of strength. It's a disability to be overcome.

Kaze ni Nare!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#21024: May 8th 2019 at 7:18:42 PM

What makes Daredevil a not so great portrayal of blind people is that he's got superpowers that render the blindness less of an issue. Meaning he's not really a remotely realistic representation of actual blind people.

Edited by M84 on May 8th 2019 at 10:19:09 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#21025: May 8th 2019 at 7:20:51 PM

Would you consider Dororo acceptable representation of disability?

I guess I wouldn’t think so because again, that man is explicitly supernatural


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