I suppose there is no real reason for having all of these players on the page. But then again, we have useful notes on every other topic. If we have short summaries on the regions of new Jersey, I don't see why we shouldn't have them on soccer players.
The Characters.The World Cup page is indeed a separate topic.
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Not all players play in the World Cup.
frogwidget
I like it in a Useful Notes kind of way (especially if you're new to the sport) but there is a lot of subjective choice in which players are important enough to be there.
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Crazyrabbits
I'd have more of an issue with the fact that the name is non-indicative. I know it's focused on the sport itself, but running a Google search revealed a film of the same name (which also deals with soccer, just a specific subset in South Africa).
Clock is set.
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Vis-a-vis the title: The point, I think, is "What to call it if not 'The Beautiful Game'?" Because both "Football" and "Soccer" are liable to cause a Flame War, or at least some dissension, and I'm not sure that "Footy" or the formal "Association Football" would be any better recognized than the current one (which is vaguely recognizable as a nickname for the sport in the same way that "America's National Pastime" is recognizable for baseball). These are points to consider; I'm not really sure where I stand.
As for having long lists of players: We might split the player section out, but it should definitely remain on the wiki. The list on this one is substantially larger than the lists for Baseball and American Football (for reasons that should be obvious to anyone), and I think those are already approaching the level requiring a split themselves. But perhaps they shouldn't be a "Characters" page so much as a Useful Notes on "Footy Players" or "Footy Greats" or something of the sort.
Crazyrabbits
Yeah, I'd also agree with "Association Football" if it were to come down to a rename. I'd be interested to find how many inbounds/redirects the name "Beautiful Game" itself gets.
Association Football and Soccer are already redirects for the page.
Yeah, rename to Association Football and cut the player list.
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Cut, or split? I would prefer split.
Cut. I can't see anything resembling a use for a player list here.
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Feel free to add more options.
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Crowner is attached. I've made an option for only cutting the player list because the rename idea sounds to me like an ill-supported "repaint the office for the sake of it" proposal.
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Bump.
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13:2 in favour of rename.
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Calling crowner in favour of "Turn the page into a Useful Note with another name, cut the player list."
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Lovely.
Do we need a crowner for the name? Association Football seems to have no opposition, and as someone earlier mentioned, both Soccer and Football are... potentially troubling.
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I've put in an alt names crowner, since none of these two other options are eye-searingly bad.
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Bump.
So it seems like we're turning the page into UsefulNotes.Association Football and cutting the player list? Shall I get started on the move?
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Calling crowner in favour of Association Football.
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The Beautiful Game and its subpage is moved to UsefulNotes.Association Football, which is now indexed. Player list is cut.
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Wicks need to be moved/cut appropriately. Going to get to work on them, but there's a lot.
edited 22nd Dec '15 1:03:06 PM by Larkmarn
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Done, except for one archive page and a few non-existent pages.
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What would be the best way to fix the page?
I can understand having a page on soccer/football, but there's a lot of issues I have with the page (and some relevant subpages). The massive list of famous footballers seems entirely pointless for this site. I think we'd be better served having tropes often associated with football (like Wounded Gazelle Gambit, which inevitably comes up when soccer's mentioned in America or Serious Business along with Football Hooligans) since that's actually how the sport affects fiction and moving Footy Rules to the main Useful Notes page.
I'm not sure if I should do this in a separate topic, but the World Cup is already a Useful Notes page, and it's got a character page Characters.The World Cup which is nothing but a scoresheet, which seems pointless (I'm also 99% sure it was cut in the past, given the history).
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